Talk:State defense force

OCP is now called the ACU, where UCP was previously called the ACU

Update in terminology, the US Armed forces now refer to OCP as the ACU (Army Combat Uniform). So many of the references to ACU in the article should be replaced with UCP, which is more accurate and avoids confusion. The UCP is retired (mostly) as of 2019, and the OCP is in use as the official camouflage pattern of the Army Combat Uniform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TexanDave817 (talk • contribs) 14:29, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

OCP and UCP are patterns. ACU is a uniform. 98.29.128.246 (talk) 19:35, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Inaccuracy in the first image?

The first image has Missouri in red indicating that it has no active State Defense Force, however, at least based on what research I have done, that doesn't seem to be the case. While the Missouri General assembly did briefly inactivate the Missouri State Defense force for a very short time in 2020, it quickly restored funding to the force shortly after and reactivated the Missouri State Defense Force. The chart seems to correctly say that the Missouri State Defense Force is active. The image needs to be updated. JMM12345 (talk) 19:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)JMM12345

References

Texas

@Majormadmax: do you have a source to support this edit? - wolf 14:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Majormadmax: your edit removed sourced content, and but only support for your edit was your edit summary: "I am Executive Officer of 4th Battalion, 6th Regiment of the Texas State Guard. The Air Component was dissolved in January 2020". Unfortunately, we can't accept changes based on solely on statements like that. It's not that we doubt you personally, but we have no way of separating legitimate edits from ones that are false and vexatious. Content and content changes on Wikipedia must be supported by reliable sources. I took a look at the press release page for the Texas Military Department and the Texas State Guard Air Component Facebook page, and there doesn't appear to be any announcements regarding the deactivation you mention. Perhaps in your position you are able to find a source to support this change. If so, please post it here to avoid any potential conflict of interest issues, it will be reviewed and if suitable, an editor will make the appropriate changes for you. Thank you - wolf 22:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Thewolfchild:, if you looked at that Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/txsgair/) a little closer, you will see it states "To coincide with the changes in our organization we have updated our Facebook pages" which was posted in January 2020, when the Air Component was dissolved. That page was only left up for historical purposes. Notice that there have been NO posts since that time?

This is the current TXSG Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/TexasStateGuard), and nowhere does it mention an air or maritime components after both were dissolved in January 2020.

Also, while not detailed the reorg was mentioned ("a reorganization and streamlining of the organization") during MG Bodisch's recent retirement in this article (https://www.einnews.com/pr_news/555903019/a-changing-of-the-guard-in-the-texas-state-guard).

If you need further proof, call HQ TXSG at Camp Mabry 512-782-5101 which will confirm I am correct.

I would expect you would prefer the Wikipedia page be correct, especially almost two years after the reorganization occurred, but leaving it incorrect as it currently stands is entirely on you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Majormadmax (talk • contribs) 02:14, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed on the FB page there was mention of "changes in organization", but the only changes listed were the renaming of regiments to brigades, I didn't see any mention of the Air Component being deactivated, (or "dissolved"). On your second source, the lack of mention of something on a webpage is not proof that said something was "dissolved", (and on a specific date no less). And as you yourself point out, the third source you listed only mentions a "reorganization". (You need to beware of WP:SYNTH as well as, WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:V.) Lastly, we don't call people to confirm or deny info. Look, I know this can be frustrating, sometimes the rules lead to articles keeping incorrect or out of date information (this was even covered in a couple episodes of The Newsroom). But these rules, this system, is what we have right now. So, no this isn't "on me", it's on all of us, the Wikipedia community. If you want to change content in an article right now, find a source. If you want to change the system, get more involved in the community, come up with a better idea and get support for it. It's democracy in an action brother, the very concept we signed up to defend. Good luck to you - wolf 15:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Map is incorrect

The initial image shows only 20 states with active state defense forces, but the chart at the bottom lists 23 active units. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.224.165.118 (talk) 16:41, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Still Some Inaccuracies.

The Table showing Active State Guard Units shows Massachusetts as Active, but the State is colored Red in the Map. Ditto for Missouri.

Stargzer (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

• It appears there are indeed some inaccuracies on the map showing the active/inactive units. I have suppressed it for the time being, left a note on the image's talk page at Commons, and notified the editor, SSaint04 about this on their user talk page. - wolf 15:04, 4 December 2021 (UTC)