Talk:Stalingrad (icebreaker)

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Verify technical data

User:Tupsumato, can you please verify whether I indicated correct technical data for the Stalingrad icebreaker, since I'm a newbie in the icebreakers. Thank you in advance! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 14:58, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'll put it on top of my to-do list once I'm back from my holiday. Thanks for creating the article! Tupsumato (talk) 18:40, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What sparked my interest to Stalingrad icebreaker is because Russian president mentioned it explicitly in a big speech; however, in the past he was not known to be a fan of Stalin or Bolsheviks; in the word Stalingrad, the suffix "grad" means "city". So I wanted to read about this icebreaker and found there were no page, so I created. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 19:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we make plan for the article: I only made one section, but probably we should expand it, and briefly mention the battle of Stalingrad, with a reference to the main article. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Non-relevant paragraphs about the Northern Sea Route deleted

There was initially emphasis on Northern sea route, but then it was deleted in a later version of the article as irrelevant for the technical aspects of the ice breaker, however, political and economical context around the world and in the country where a ship is built I consider very important; the government and the president particularly for the Stalingrad ice breaker put emphasis as never before on the Northern Sea Route as the global economical and political situation changed dramatically when Stalingrad was conceived, so I am sure that those deleted paragraphs about the Northern Sea Route should be reconsidered and put back, maybe even reworded/rewritten significantly, but still should be restored. Even the ship name "Stalingrad" itself shows major shift of the government towards the internal and external policy. Such a name even a few years ago for the ship was unimaginable; other name not related to Joseph Stalin would have been used instead. @Tupsumato - could you please put this information about the Northern sea route and the global/internal context back, albeit put differently? Maxim Masiutin (talk) 06:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prior to my edit on 6 April, only the first two paragraphs under "Background" were about the icebreaker Stalingrad; the rest was general information about the Northern Sea Route with only a passing mention of the new nuclear-powered icebreakers in the fourth paragraph. In line with WP:TOPIC, I think this information should be incorporated into the article about the Northern Sea Route itself. Another appropriate article about the recent developments in the Russian Arctic could be Arctic policy of Russia. In any case, it is way too general topic for an article about a single icebreaker.

As for the name Stalingrad, I tried to focus on the "hard facts" about the name change and namesake. While I did cite the Barents Observer article titled "In chilly return to past...", I don't see any need to "analyze" it further. Again, if there's an article about the "major shift of the government towards the internal and external policy", choosing such name for the icebreaker could be used as an example there with link back to this article about the ship itself.

Tupsumato (talk) 07:27, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your thorough explanation; I am not insisting on particular details, however, I am sure that the context deserves more attention. It is only mentioned in the article that "The vessel was initially to be named Sakhalin (Russian: Сахалин) after the Sakhalin island, but in November 2023 it was announced that instead it would be named Stalingrad (Russian: Сталинград) to commemorate the Battle of Stalingrad". If you have any idea on how to give more background on this name change on what happened around, please augment the article, thank you! The Northern Sea route in context of the ship got more importance than it was before due to global policy changes, partcicularly from 2022. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 09:31, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]