Talk:Stadsfries Dutch

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Frisian

According to this study, Stadsfries is not Frisian. Furthermore, there are articles called Frisian languages and West Frisian language. So I suggest to replace Frisian with West Frisian in the article.Sarcelles (talk) 11:53, 1 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.wjheeringa.nl/thesis/thesis09.pdf has Stadsfries as being closer to the West Frisian language than to the Dutch language. Sarcelles (talk) 23:38, 8 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Heeringa (2004), p. 215: "town Frisian dialects may be regarded as an intermediate form of Dutch and Frisian".

Anyhow, there's Wikipedia:Reliable sources#Scholarship: ".. Articles should rely on secondary sources .. better than a primary research paper. When relying on primary sources, extreme caution is advised." The above is a doctor's thesis (from 2004).

--2003:DE:3700:672F:8567:9BE6:1822:E107 (talk) 17:32, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat myself from Talk:Dutch dialects.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240956524_To_What_Extent_are_Surnames_Words_Comparing_Geographic_Patterns_of_Surname_and_Dialect_Variation_in_the_Netherlands There are two dialect maps of the Netherlands, labelled 4 and 5. 4 has several clusters. Three remote, quite neighbouring clusters are Frisian, Franco-Frisian and Archaic Frisisan (in Hindeloopen, Schiermonnikoog and Terschelling). Franco-Frisian is closer to those clusters than to most other clusters.

Clustering in this article includes the following possible categories not mentioned hitherto:

Leeuwarden and possibly Sneek can be grouped together. Dokkum, Stavoren, Kollum and possibly Heerenveen can have single varieties.

Friesland hosts many of the varieties obtained. They can be divided into

Frisian, archaic Frisian (Hindeloopen, Schiermonnikoog and Terschelling island),

Friso-Franconian varieties (Frisian cities, Midsland, Ameland island and Het Bildt) and Friso-Saxon (in Stellingwerf and variously also Westerkwartier).

Midsland, Ameland island and Het Bildt can be grouped together.

Leeuwarden and possibly Sneek can be grouped together. Dokkum, Stavoren, Kollum and possibly Heerenveen can have single varieties.

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has the following view that

Bildts, Midslands, Stadsfries, and Amelands can be grouped with

Frisian varieties of Friesland. Sarcelles (talk) 23:19, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.academia.edu/3130916/De_analyse_van_taalvariatie_in_het_Nederlandse_dialectgebied_methoden_en_resultaten_op_basis_van_lexicon_en_uitspraaken

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