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Info about bell added in February 2015 by Stephenfabian

This should be deleted. Instead of simply deleting it at this time, I first want to ask Stephenfabian to remove it. It's irrelevant to the introduction section of a Wikipedia article, and does not conform to community standards for what an introduction should accomplish. It's also unverified. DMLoewe (talk) 02:03, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SEU Football -- not undefeated since 1885

St. Ed's had a football team in the 1920s and 1930s. See:

list of former UT coaches (Notes on Jack Chevigny)

All-time UT vs. opponent records (UT played SEU 3 times from 1921 - 1929)

Bomb Threat and Evacuation

Is this really significant enough to be on here? I think it should be taken off, assuming nothing becomes of the incident.Rgrizza 16:59, 17 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Important Faculty

I fail to see the significance of naming "important faculty" at St. Edward's. Outside of Dr. Healy, none of the listed professors have Wikipedia pages to link to or websites that provide biographical info nor a Curriculum Vitae. I suggest this section be removed to conform with the standards of a Wikipedia article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.77.79.170 (talk) 17:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

University Seal

Shouldn't the actual university seal be used on this page instead of the logo? All other wiki pages for universities follow this design. Here is a link to the actual seal Jread79 (talk) 18:26, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notability issues with Notable Alumni

I couldn't find any information on Tom Reulsteen or Dustin Tarver, and I'm concerned that they might lack sufficient notability to be listed as "Notable Alumni". Justin Gardiner doesn't appear to meet the requirements to be considered a notable alumnus either. The web-episode cited in the reference is less than five minutes long, and includes no indication that he ever attended St. Edward's. In fact, according to the video, he attended Dallas Baptist University.^[1] Regardless of his connection to the university, or lack thereof, the video doesn't seem particularly significant. Perhaps Gardiner added himself to the list? At any rate, I think that Reulsteen, Tarver, and Gardiner should possibly be considered for deletion from the list.

Tcd88 (talk) 07:51, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://video.aol.com/video/project-freshman-justin-episode-6/1616463007

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Removal of News Item

I have removed the one sentence that previously constituted the "Controversies" section.

While the statement is true and properly sourced, Wiki entries are designed to be encyclopedic in nature, and not news blogs about the latest happenings on campus.

I suppose it might be possible (?) to incorporate the information into a larger section on Student Life at the University, but the very nature of a “Controversies” section makes it predisposed to POV and COI problems. This danger is why these sections have been removed by editors of Wiki articles about similar colleges and universities as incompatible with Wiki guidelines (e.g. see the talk page about the University of Dallas). - Andrewincowtown

Andrewincowtown (talk) 00:40, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What is the motto?

Since at least Dec 2009 this article has listed the motto as "Learn to think." An IP is now claiming the motto is actually "Take on your world." I have not been able to find any source for either version. Can anyone provide one? Meters (talk) 00:39, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. "Take on your world" appears in the header on the school webpage. Either the article has been wrong for a long time or the motto has recently changed. Meters (talk) 21:04, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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History section new citation and citation needed

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

History section, fourth paragraph, sentence: "In 1984, Patricia Hayes became the second layperson to lead St. Edward's University." Citations is

"St. Edward's University." Texas State Historical Association. Retrieved 17 April 2018.

History section, fourth paragraph, last sentence, beginning: "This decade also ushered in a..." Change to "This decade also ushered in civic initiatives and capital improvements." Citation

"A Saintly Anchor." The Austin Chronicle. Retrieved 17 April 2018.

Dr.frankfrank (talk) 17:25, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Done Spintendo 19:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strategic Plans and Growth Copy and Citation Update

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Some proposed changes

• This particular section is about St. Edward’s University expansion and growth plans. • Changes are to address the citation warning and improve the tone for the article. • New citations become 9, 10, 11 • Old copy from “Strategic Plans and Growth” section needs to be completely subtracted and replaced with updated information below. • Provide links to sources are cited within the copy below.

[H2] 21st Century Expansion and Growth

In Fall 1999, George E. Martin, PhD, became the institution’s 23rd president. Under the leadership of President Martin and the Board of Trustees, a series of strategic plans have been implemented, resulting in an era of unprecedented growth for St. Edward’s

In 1999, a 10-year strategic plan was developed to bring the university recognition as one of the best small universities in the country — a distinction St. Edward’s has held for 15 consecutive years. During this time, undergraduate enrollment almost doubled; the size of the faculty increased and new academic programs were added. Local and global partnerships were formed to expand opportunities for students. A campus master plan guided the development of $150 million in new and renovated facilities. In addition, The Campaign for St. Edward’s University (a 10-year fundraising initiative launched in 2007) drew more than $84 million in support of the university’s mission^[1].

From 2010 to 2014, St. Edward’s turned its vision to preparing students for the opportunities and challenges of a 21st-century world, with an emphasis on global learning. International recruitment and curricula grew, and the number of educational partnerships with international universities tripled. Fundraising during this time added $64 million to the university’s mission-driven commitments and grew the endowment for scholarships and student support to just over $95 million.

From 2015 to 2017, the university focused its efforts on preparing students for the demands of accelerating technological, economic and cultural changes. More partnerships within the Austin business community and with other colleges were developed to expand avenues for real-world learning, research and degree programs. The Campaign for St. Edward’s University ended in 2017, topping $100 million in donations^[2] and raising the endowment to $110 million. The conclusion of the 1999 campus master plan achieved more than $300 million in campus and technology improvements.

In Fall 2017, St. Edward’s launched a new master plan and Strategic Plan 2022^[3]. The new strategic plan is guided by four pillars:

1. Cultivate student experiences that educate both the mind and the heart, in keeping with Holy Cross, Catholic values.

2. Challenge all students to pursue educational pathways that foster their success.

3. Enrich the student educational experience by deepening the relationship between the university and the Austin community.

4. Stimulate innovation, collaboration and informed risk-taking throughout the institution.

Vflores96 (talk) 20:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "History & Mission". St. Edward's University. Retrieved 26 April 2018.
^ "The St. Edward's Campaign Tops $100 Million". St. Edward's University. Retrieved 26 April 2018.
^ "Strategic Plan 2022". St. Edward's University. Retrieved 26 April 2018.

Reply 27-APR-2018

The reasons given for this COI edit request were so that the changes implemented would "address the citation warning and improve the tone for the article." I think it's a good idea to take a look at these two important reasons in order to decide whether the changes would accomplish them.

Do these changes address the citation warning? The citation warning referred to is the More Citations Needed Maintenance template which was placed in the article in January 2017. This maintenance template is used to draw attention to articles which have very little references provided. Taking a look at the reference section for this article, we can see that there are 38 different entries listed (there were 29 at the time the template was placed) which is not on its face, a small number. Without speaking to the editor who first placed it over a year ago, it's impossible to know for sure why the template was placed when there appears to be a sufficient number of references.^[a] However, a look at the sources of some of these citations provides us with a clue. Just over half of the references provided — 52% — originate from the university itself. At the time the template was placed in January 2017, that number was even higher — with 2 out of every 3 references listed being to University-based sources. This suggests that the editor's placement of the More citations template may have been an attempt to draw attention to the need for the article to contain more outside sources, rather than as a comment on the number of citations overall. If that was the editor's motivation, then their concern was a valid one, and has its origins in Wikipedia's Verifiability policy which suggests:

WP:ABOUTSELF: Self-published sources may be used as sources of information about themselves without the published-experts-in-their-field requirement so long as the material is not unduly self-serving and exceptional in nature and the article is not based primarily on such sources.
WP:PSTS: Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them.

If we are to take this as the basis for the maintenance template placement, then the COI edit request should address this concern. But the suggested sources in the edit request remain University-based in their origins, which would not sufficiently address this.

Do these changes improve the tone of the article? The edit request suggests removing one section of the article currently referenced by 2 University-in-origin sources and then replacing it with text referenced by 3 University-in-origin sources. Irregardless of whether or not the prose in the replacement section is better worded than the text it's intended to replace — the fact that the references remain University-in-origin would seem to suggest that no resolution would occur improving the tone of the article.

That being said, I would lean towards not implementing the changes. But I'd like to wait and see what the input of the other editor reveals before deciding on this overall. SPINTENDO 07:06, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notes

^ I have reached out to the editor in question and asked them to comment. That editor remains active on the site and is very experienced, so hopefully they will be able to clarify this.

Reply quotebox with inserted reviewer decisions and feedback 27-APR-2018

Below you will see where text from your request has been quoted with individual advisory messages placed underneath, either accepting, declining or otherwise commenting upon your proposal(s). Please see the enclosed notes for additional information about each request. Additionally, the third party maintenance template was appended to the article to address the need for an increase in references originating from outside of the university. This need is based on the fact that no less than two-thirds of the reference section for the article contains university-based sources (25 out of 39, or 64%). This is a maintenance issue which ought to be addressed in the near future. SPINTENDO 18:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In Fall 1999, George E. Martin, PhD, became the institution’s 23rd president. Under the leadership of President Martin and the Board of Trustees, a series of strategic plans have been implemented, resulting in an era of unprecedented growth for St. Edward’s.
Partly approved.^{[note 1]}
___________

In 1999, a 10-year strategic plan was developed to bring the university recognition as one of the best small universities in the country — a distinction St. Edward’s has held for 15 consecutive years. During this time, undergraduate enrollment almost doubled; the size of the faculty increased and new academic programs were added. Local and global partnerships were formed to expand opportunities for students. A campus master plan guided the development of $150 million in new and renovated facilities. In addition, The Campaign for St. Edward’s University (a 10-year fundraising initiative launched in 2007) drew more than $84 million in support of the university’s mission[1].
Approved.^{[note 2]}
___________

From 2010 to 2014, St. Edward’s turned its vision to preparing students for the opportunities and challenges of a 21st-century world, with an emphasis on global learning.
Not approved.^{[note 3]}
___________

International recruitment and curricula grew, and the number of educational partnerships with international universities tripled. Fundraising during this time added $64 million to the university’s mission-driven commitments and grew the endowment for scholarships and student support to just over $95 million.
Approved.
___________

From 2015 to 2017, the university focused its efforts on preparing students for the demands of accelerating technological, economic and cultural changes.
Not approved.^{[note 4]}
___________

More partnerships within the Austin business community and with other colleges were developed to expand avenues for real-world learning, research and degree programs. The Campaign for St. Edward’s University ended in 2017, topping $100 million in donations[2] and raising the endowment to $110 million. The conclusion of the 1999 campus master plan achieved more than $300 million in campus and technology improvements.
Partly approved.^{[note 5]}
___________

In Fall 2017, St. Edward’s launched a new master plan and Strategic Plan 2022[3]. The new strategic plan is guided by four pillars: 1. Cultivate student experiences that educate both the mind and the heart, in keeping with Holy Cross, Catholic values. 2. Challenge all students to pursue educational pathways that foster their success. 3. Enrich the student educational experience by deepening the relationship between the university and the Austin community. 4. Stimulate innovation, collaboration and informed risk-taking throughout the institution.
Not approved.^{[note 6]}
___________

^ The language used in this section was tightened for brevity.

^ The first sentence of this section was omitted / altered for brevity. Areas of this section which were unreferenced were given the citation needed inline template.

^ Actions such as "turning its vision to preparing students for the opportunities and challenges of a 21st century world" is a labyrinthine description of a routine event at all universities — the act of offering counseling services to students — and as such, fails to describe any meaningful activities in the overall scope of the article, per WP:MILL.

^ As indicated in Note #3, actions such as "focusing efforts on preparing students for demands of accelerating cultural changes" is a labyrinthine way of describing what is a routine event at all universities — the counseling of students — and as such, fails to describe any meaningful activities in the overall scope of the article, per WP:MILL.

^ Portions of text from this section were omitted for brevity.

^ In this section the text describes university plans of action for the future, and as such, is generally not allowed per: WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL

[1] ttp://video.aol.com/video/project-freshman-justin-episode-6/1616463007

[2] "History & Mission". St. Edward's University. Retrieved 26 April 2018.

[3] "The St. Edward's Campaign Tops $100 Million". St. Edward's University. Retrieved 26 April 2018.

[4] "Strategic Plan 2022". St. Edward's University. Retrieved 26 April 2018.

[5] I have reached out to the editor in question and asked them to comment. That editor remains active on the site and is very experienced, so hopefully they will be able to clarify this.

[6] The language used in this section was tightened for brevity.

[7] The first sentence of this section was omitted / altered for brevity. Areas of this section which were unreferenced were given the citation needed inline template.

[8] Actions such as "turning its vision to preparing students for the opportunities and challenges of a 21st century world" is a labyrinthine description of a routine event at all universities — the act of offering counseling services to students — and as such, fails to describe any meaningful activities in the overall scope of the article, per WP:MILL.

[9] As indicated in Note #3, actions such as "focusing efforts on preparing students for demands of accelerating cultural changes" is a labyrinthine way of describing what is a routine event at all universities — the counseling of students — and as such, fails to describe any meaningful activities in the overall scope of the article, per WP:MILL.

[10] Portions of text from this section were omitted for brevity.

[11] In this section the text describes university plans of action for the future, and as such, is generally not allowed per: WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL

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