Talk:Srbe na vrbe!

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The tone of the article and some of the claims are problematic. --Elephantus 04:30, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

you have toi say what you dispute. cite for beatings of serb refuges is un report, it lists beatings so i removed {fact}

Read the WP:NPOV and WP:V, please. --Elephantus 11:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

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The last paragraph of the article goes like this:

This cry can be heard even in present day, with rising hostility against the Serbs - there was an instance of graffiti in 2006, [2] and one Ortodox church has been recently vandalized [3]. In the time when Croatia tries to woo EU into admitting it in its ranks, and EU demands return of some of the expelled Serbs, some Croatians oppose the return of Serbs with such manifestations of hatred. Two elderly Serb returnees were beaten [4] and there were attacks on Serbian vehicles and passengers entering Croatia.

Aside from the instance of graffiti, no other cases of violence mentioned here are related to the slogan Srbe na vrbe. I'll wait a couple of days, and if no justification is provided for keeping them, I'll delete them. --Zmaj 17:35, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

they are related to a wider campagn that explains why now, 11 years after the war, there is a rise in appearace of this ustasha cry. it provides background, as it is not a sole example of sick hatred against the serbs in present day croatia. Mozart1783 06:13, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Srbe na vrbe is a slogan calling for murder. Aside from the graffiti, the acts listed in the above paragraph are acts of vandalism and violence, but do not indicate a murderous intent. Therefore, linking such acts with that slogan is a POV action, since it makes the unfounded assumption of a murderous intent. For this reason, the text must be removed. --Zmaj 07:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Thats ridicilous. You removed references about vandalization of the church by this cry, about sport events... As for what you say about "calling for murder" that is utter nonsense. It is a call for hate, just like so many other manifestations of croat hate for serbs. Murder comes from hate, and yes, serbs have been murdered recently in croatia just because they were serbs. they were beaten up, old serbs who live in zagreb, just because they are serbs. that has nothing to do with this cry, but it does with the appaling hatred croats always had for serbs, and this cry in croatia is about hate and balkan primitivizm of croats who hate serbs. have you no shame for removing all references to what your copatriots do? Mozart1783 14:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

This article is called "Srbe na vrbe", not "Instances of hatred against Serbs in contemporary Croatia". Please remember that we are writing an encyclopedia here. This article is supposed to be about the slogan, not about the beatings of Serbs. If you want to write about the instances of hatred against Serbs, please find the appropriate place for it. --Zmaj 14:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I see you removed all my changes, but challenged only some of them. Please refrain from blanket reverts and try to think about the reasons I provided for each of my changes. --Zmaj 14:58, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

context is relevant, and should be kept. Mozart1783 15:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

I am glad you have provided references for the sports games. Now the article is better. However, I insist on removing this part, because, as I already explained, it has nothing to do with the slogan:

In the time when Croatia tries to woo EU into admitting it in its ranks, and EU demands return of some of the expelled Serbs, some Croatians oppose the return of Serbs with such manifestations of hatred. Other manifestations of such hatred include beating of Serb returnees, attacks on Serbian vehicles and passengers entering Croatia, attacks on Serbian journalists etc.

You said context is relevant, and should be kept. This makes no sense. How can you determine what is the valid context and what is not? From what I can see, you are simply choosing the context that best suits your POV. I am not claiming you are doing it in bad faith, but it is a fact that your "context" is subjective and therefore unencyclopedic. This is why that paragraph must not be included. --Zmaj 06:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

So, what is the relevant context? Why now is there a rise in violence against the Serbs? I can see that you can claim POV, yet if you remove it, you cant say article is still POV. You cant have it two ways. So, Ill remove the POV tag, or restore the text. Mozart1783 16:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it's OK now. You can remove the tag. --Zmaj 06:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

This..

...doesn't qualify for an article. --PaxEquilibrium 20:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

But slogan was used in past times,and that qualifyes it as an article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord feanor (talk • contribs) 22:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

There is some merit in the argument - the slogan merits mention, but not necessarily in a standalone article. Is there a pertinent article where the content can be merged into? Thinking about it you have to wonder if a single slogan can have an article that is more than a laundry list of mentions, most of which would be anonymous. It almost seems like the publishing of any instance of such awful hate speech gives it undue weight and excessive publicity. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:11, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

It could be merged into the article Anti-Serb Sentiment. That article already covers instances of its use extensively. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:31, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

The neutrality of this article is disputed!

This is wikiPEDIA, NOT Nationalistic-mythsPEDIA! The neutrality of this article is disputed, and contains unverified claims! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.29.142.49 (talk) 23:25, 29 April 2007 (UTC). No it is not,but you cant deny that slogan was used to expres hatred for serbsLord feanor 22:45, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Are you guys morons? This doesnt qualify as an article, its just a way for serbs to gain sympathy from the rest of the world.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.194.175 (talk) 13:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Why exactly this article does not qualify to be such? The article includes factual information and even has a reference to the January 2006 Human Rights Watch World Report about Croatia. Could you please support your claim with a real argument how this article is a way for Serbs (it is spelled with capital "S" in English) to gain sympathy from the rest of the world? Could it be simply because the article states the truth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.159.70 (talk) 05:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

You could also add the the the article about Serbs screaming Granate Na Hrvate - eng. (throw)grenades on Croatians. And many others Serbian nationalist sentences. This article is pure nationalist propaganda, obviously trying to discriminate Croats. Please delete it. --Truthseeker1412 (talk) 11:46, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Of course, nobody answered me (truth hurts). Oh well. Since the third source is broken (I am unable to access it for some reason) I am suggesting you to remove it or to find something else. --Truthseeker1412 (talk) 11:54, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

That is true, by WP:BALANCE the Serbian phrase should at least be included in this article to give a counterbalance. If not its own article to give full balance. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie Say Shalom! 01:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Personally I never heard of granate na Hrvate so I doubt it's relevant. But, that doesn't imply this slur deserves an article of its own, either. AFAICT we could easily merge this stub into Serbophobia. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 12:43, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

merge

Giving this slur a standalone article gives the whole idea undue weight. People who anonymously spout hate speech shouldn't be given excess attention because they're not an encyclopedic matter, rather they're a law enforcement issue. Indeed, the content of this stub mostly already exists in the other articles. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 13:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree. There is no claim of standalone notability of this particular slogan, and apart from WP:UNDUE, the article also appears to be discussing something else. GregorB (talk) 17:47, 11 October 2011 (UTC)