Talk:Spyridon Louis

GA Review

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Reviewer: Kosack (talk · contribs) 13:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this one, will post review in the next day or so. Kosack (talk) 13:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Initial review

Lead

• The article is titled Spyridon but the opening uses Spiridon, is this correct? If there is an alternate spelling it should be listed.

• To be honest, there's conflict about them and I'm not sure. The olympics website use Spyridon while a publication by the IAAF use Spiridon. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 21:16, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

If there's some uncertainty over the name then include them both, for example "Spyridon Louis" (also spelt Spiridon)." There's already an alternative spelling of the surname so it could be worked into the text there. Kosack (talk) 07:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 11:44, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

• Unlink Greek, per WP:OVERLINK. Linking common nationalities should be avoided.

•  Done

• The lead could do with expanding, there's only a brief mention of his childhood. A brief summary of his Olympic achievements and later life could be added.

• I believe that the lead is fine as-is. His gold medal is mentioned in the first paragraph and I'm not sure what the stuff after the olympics could be that shouldn't fit better in it's own section. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 23:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Looking at the lead again, the information in the second paragraph isn't mentioned anywhere else in the article which would make it unsourced seemingly. Kosack (talk) 05:05, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

There's ref 17. How should I incorporate it? Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 17:47, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

The information just needs an inline citation, so you can just place the relevant ref alongside it. Kosack (talk) 19:05, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

 Done Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 00:32, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Preparation

• "After the decision in 1894 to revive the Olympic Games", who made the decision?

•  Done

• Pipe Pheidippides' link to avoid the redirect.

• Removed the pipe.

• "who knew Louis' running talents""- this sentence feels a little clunky, perhaps " who knew of Louis' talents as a runner"? What's your thoughts?

• Changed to "who knew of Louis' talent in running"

• Do we know where Louis placed in the qualifying race?

•  Done

• "but was disappointed in the fact that no track and field event had yet been won by a Greek competitor", should that be "but were disappointed..."?

• Yes, fixed.

The marathon race

• Ref 1 refers to Papadiamantopoulos as a major-general rather than a colonel. Is that a mistake on the refs part?

• As is with old events, you can't really be sure. I've seen more references saying he's a colonel, so I went with that.

• "Louis' grandson, also Spiridon Louis, said that this is incorrect;", I would change to "has stated that this is incorrect"

•  Done

• "After asking for the advantage of the other runners", I'm not sure what this sentence means?

• Advantage in this context is referring to their lead (time). Not sure how to phrase it better.

• "the cry "Hellene, Hellene!" was taken up by thousands of rapturous spectators", the ref provided doesn't appear to support the crowd cheering that. It states the rider chanted Hellene, Hellene and "the crowd roared their enthusiasm".

• Removed

• A ref needs to be placed at the end of the excerpt report.

•  Done

After the Olympics

• According to THIS site, jewelry is an American spelling of the word. As Louis is European, I would say we should be using the British English spelling of jewellery.

•  Done

• "to a lifelong free shave at the barber shop", if it was the barber shop he used it should be "his barber shop" but otherwise it should be "a barber shop."

•  Done

• "It is unknown if Louis took all these gifts", the only two gifts mentioned are jewellery and the barber shop. The shop gift can't be "taken" so to speak so "accepted all these gifts" would be more appropriate.

•  Done

Breal's Silver Cup

• "project of Stavros Niarchos Foundation", should "the Stavros..."

•  Done

References

• Could the two loose references in this section be converted to inline citations rather than just added on here? I'm assuming they were used in the article at some point.

• I wanted to use them more as general references as not to over cite.

That's all I've found for now, placed on hold. Kosack (talk) 19:28, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Kosack - reminder re ^. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 22:18, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Apologies, been a bit hectic offline recently. I'll try and give this another read through over the weekend. Kosack (talk) 22:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Follow up

Lead

• "thereby becoming a national hero""', place an extra link to ref 16 after this to support it.  Done

Preparation

• The first paragraph here only has a single ref and it doesn't seem to support any of the information. --Seems to me like it covers it well in the 'summary' section to be honest.

For some reason, the summary section didn't appear to load correctly when I first looked. It does indeed support it sufficiently so scratch that one. Kosack (talk) 18:32, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

• Unlink American, common nationality per WP:OVERLINK.  Done

The marathon race

• Unlink Australian, common nationality per WP:OVERLINK.  Done
• "the cry "Hellene, Hellene!" was taken up by rapturous spectators", you placed done after I mentioned this the first time (the source doesn't support the crowd shouting this, just the messenger) but the only thing that's been removed is the word thousands. On further reading, it would appear ref 1 would actually support this, so add an extra mention of the ref alongside nine to avoid any confusion. --It's inside reference 9. https://i.imgur.com/Jvic5D3.png
• "two Greek princes – Crown Prince Constantine and Prince George – rushed to meet him and accompanied him on his final lap", not supported by the ref provided. The ref states they picked him up as he crossed the finish line, nothing about running with him? Doesn't mention his finishing time either.  Done
• "Reportedly, the king offered Louis any gift he would care to ask of him", not supported by ref nine. Only mentions prizes and gifts, nothing about the king offering them. Also remove reportedly, the ref supports it and doesn't seem to be unsure about it. --Removed

After the Olympics

• "The affair predictably caused a press uproar", not supported by ref provided. --Removed
• Spyros Louis Avenue is red linked. WP:REDLINK would suggest that something should only be linked if it is likely to meet notability guidelines to encourage creation. I have no idea if that would be notable enough for an article, just a suggestion to perhaps look into whether it really needs linking. --Not too sure. Removed it.

A few more issues to address. Kosack (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

@Kosack: All done. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 11:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

The Hellene chant is not supported by that newspaper clipping. The clipping states the rider cried "Hellene, Hellene" and the crowd "roared their enthusiasm". That doesn't mean the crowd chanted it. However, the Independent article does support it, so it needs an inline citation to that ref. Once that's done I think we're there. Kosack (talk) 18:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

@Kosack: Done. Dat Guy^Talk_Contribs 20:23, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm happy that the article meets the relevant GA criteria. Promoting. Kosack (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Possible cheating

When I was in Greece last year, my tour guide (an extremely learned woman, unlike most tour guides) stated that there was evidence, and she personally believed it likely, that Louis cheated in the marathon like some of his compatriots did. I don't remember details, and never knew where she found this information, but I guess it's something to watch for to expand this article. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 11:35, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

The tour guide isn’t a reliable source, before keeping in mind we have to see reliable sources backing up this claim. Rynoip (talk) 22:23, 19 September 2024 (UTC)