Talk:Spinal disc herniation

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This article is a product of the cooperative efforts of Dematt, a chiropractor, and Fyslee, a physiotherapist.

We felt the need for this article, so we have combined two articles and then developed the article even further. The existing articles that were used were:

Slipped disc, and
Lumbar disc herniation

The "slipped disc" article is an article that should have never been more than a redirect, since the very expression is quite misleading. Its very existence as an article served to bolster the impression that the term represented an anatomical reality, rather than a common and misleading layman's term, based on a gross misunderstanding. Consequently this misleading article ended up being the article many proper terms were redirected to, since there was no better article! The need for a replacement was obvious.

For quite some time the "slipped disc" article has been enlarged with much good content, and the "lumbar disc herniation" article also has some good content. By combining them we hope to provide a good article that can replace them and become the proper object of Wikilinks and redirects.

We hope our efforts will be appreciated, and that the article will be positively received and further developed with time. -- Dematt and Fyslee 23:15, 28 August 2006

Research Section:

In my opinion, this section should be completely removed. This research applies to disc degeneration, and the article is about "Spinal disc herniation"; these are 2 completely different topics. If this section is deemed relevant, it should be made more clear how it is relevant. It is also only 1 research area, and hardly representative of relevant research as a whole.

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Role of Cutibacterium in disc pathology

I feel the strong association of e.g. a. Vulgaris to disc herniation and perhaps lower back pain in general should be included here, as it has been widely isolated from herniated discs. 501i4n (talk) 18:45, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please find some reliable sources that comply with WP:MEDRS. Then we can consider it. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 November 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Spinal disc herniation be renamed and moved to Disc herniation.

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Spinal disc herniation → Disc herniation – WP:CONCISE, already mostly mentioned as simply "disc herniation" throughout the article, most common term out of a few others, while "spinal disc herniation" is rarest, "spinal" seems redundant here –Tobias (talk) 11:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. When one searches, the more words that are included, the rarer that constellation will be found in relation to shorter constellations of words, so that comparison really has no meaning for us here. We use "spinal" to signal this is a medical topic. Imagine someone who is totally ignorant of the topic and just sees the isolated title "Disc herniation". They will have to click the link to find out it's a medical topic. That's not good. They should know, just by looking at the isolated title, that it's a medical topic. Therefore, I oppose the move. I don't see it as an improvement. It's more like a solution in search of a problem. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 18:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The term "disc herniation" is solely used in a medical context, so it’s nearly impossible to find unrelated results when searching for it and vice versa. Even if it were, adding "spinal" wouldn’t provide much additional clarity if "herniation" alone isn’t understood. Besides, most search engines display a text preview, allowing readers to see the first few words of a webpage, making it unnecessary to click the link. –Tobias (talk) 19:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You cite WP:CONCISE, but it only applies to "a person familiar with the general subject area": "The goal of concision is to balance brevity with sufficient information to identify the topic to a person familiar with the general subject area." I take a broader view. One more/less word isn't worth such a change, one that leaves those unfamiliar with the topic without a necessary bit of information. The briefer mentions in the article are allowed because we mention "spinal" in the title. That is the only place we'd save ONE word. If we remove it from the title, then we'd have to add it several places in the body. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 00:27, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]