Talk:Special Geographic Area

Proposed merge of Upcoming Special Geographic Area plebiscites into Special Geographic Area

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Merge Upcoming Special Geographic Area plebiscites into Special Geographic Area

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This is an incorporation referendum, and for cases such as this, this is a subsection in the history of the said locality. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

The plebiscites would create municipalities from barangays under the temporary designation of "SGA". It is not really a your ordinary incorporation referendum as these barangays are already under the BARMM but under towns outside the region. We probably should wait for the plebiscites themselves to happen before considering a merge in my opinion. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 07:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

I'd be okay with waiting for the actual plebiscite(s), but as the article stands, save for a sentence or two, the plebiscite article is an entire duplicate of the Special Geographic Area article; this doesn't even approach WP:SPLIT territory. Howard the Duck (talk) 04:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, at the very least, for special and recall elections and bigger plebiscites, we don't create an article until COMELEC has released a calendar of activities. That hasn't happened here, and most likely, this won't be held until 2024. This is the only plebiscite article that we have in the municipal/city level. We don't do cityhood plebiscites as that's simply mentioned in the article of the city/municipality. Howard the Duck (talk) 05:01, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Howard the Duck and Hariboneagle927: Isn't the SGA supposed to be on the same level as provinces? I remember seeing it being referred to as "Interim Province 1" somewhere. PSGC maybe? Not sure about the 1 though. HueMan1 (talk) 13:22, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

It's in limbo. This plebiscite should solve that as the SGA will be no more and will be replaced by eight towns.

I've seen COMELEC refer to Isabela, Basilan as a "special province" in reference to finding your precinct in the past barangay elections, but it doesn't make it an actual "province". FWIW, the SGA as a unit is not an "LGU", but its constituent barangays are.

So there are issues with this article:

1. We don't create articles on electoral exercises until we have a calendar from the COMELEC. We don't have that here.
2. We don't create articles for sub-provincial electoral exercises. Apparently, 2023 San Jose del Monte conversion plebiscite involved the entire province of Bulacan, so that is a provincial-level plebiscite, and was created a day before plebiscite day (see #1). This is not a provincial-level plebiscite; it's somewhere between barangay- and municipal-level.

Howard the Duck (talk) 13:50, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

SGA is in some special status. From what I know, the bills doesn't mention consolidating the new eight municipalities to a new province, so presumably the eight towns will be like Isabela, part of another region but the mother province is but in reverse. SGA towns part of BARMM, Cotabato itself still part of Socksargen.

In regards to the points:

1. Admittedly this is a case of WP:TOOSOON, I assumed that the plebiscite will be held within 2023, (legally the plebiscite should be held X days after published in Bangsamoro Gazette) but then again the Maguindanao division plebiscite was way way too late.

2. I think the San Jose del Monte plebiscite was more on it satisfied WP:GNG, should reduce the clutter on the main San Jose del Monte article. And the SGA is not your ordinary country subdivision, so I still believe a standalone plebiscite article may be warranted at a future date. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 03:27, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I have no issue with the SJDM plebiscite article, as aside from it more that satisfies WP:GNG, the plebiscite encompassed an entire, actual province, and was made after COMELEC released a schedule for it.

I suppose the eight new towns will still be a part of (North) Cotabato, so they're not being created as a new provinces out of themselves. For this article, this was created before COMELEC released the calendar of activities, is a sub-provincial plebiscite, and the entire article is quite simply the SGA article only jumbled around. The SGA is a temporary matter (not unlike provinces which are more or less permanent), its existence is based solely on the results of two plebiscites, the 2019 Bangsamoro autonomy plebiscite creating them, then this future plebiscite is being proposed solely because of the result of the first plebiscite. Quite simply, this should be merged into this article as the this future plebiscite is the "end result" of the SGA... unless this plebiscite is defeated, then there'd be another plebiscite because the SGA cannot exist as a "permanent thing".

With that being said, if this plebiscite was defeated, I would probably support its creation, but again, WP:TOOSOON. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge with Special Geographic Area#Reorganization for the time being. HueMan1 (talk) 12:53, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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