Talk:Soviet

Redirect

I believe this page should redirect to Soviet Union, as it's clearly the primary topic. None of the other entries at Soviet (disambiguation) are quite as notable as a former world power. –Schmloof (talk · contribs) 09:33, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, after checking the history, I believe I have consensus in stating that Soviet Union is the WP:Primary topic, and am therefore reverting again. I had hoped to follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, but now I will attempt to follow the WP:Three revert rule. –Schmloof (talk · contribs) 09:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Soviet is the English transliteration of the Russian term Совет. This is the primary topic. This term was then adopted by the Soviet Union following the development of Soviets i.e Soviet (council) first during the 1905 revolution and then again during the 1917 revolution. As such the term was then widely used across the world to describe Workers self-organisation of society, e.g in 1918 in Limerick (see Limerick Soviet). Thus it is incorrect to say that Soviet Union is the primary topic, rather this is a distinct topic created by the subsequent re-unification of state power by the Bolsheviks, and to present this as the primary topic is clearly POV. Harrypotter (talk) 09:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Where is the history you talk about. It is not on this page!Harrypotter (talk) 09:55, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I'm in agreement with Schmloof on this - clear case of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Whatever the origin of the word, in the EN wiki Soviet is used overwhelmingly as a reference to the Soviet Union. --JaGa^talk 11:14, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

There are two words, Soviet as a noun and Soviet as an adjective. While your argument maybe correct for the adjective, it is not correct for the noun. That is why the froward to the disambiguation page is necessary.Harrypotter (talk) 08:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

But it doesn't matter if it's a noun or adjective or pronoun or interjection or whatever. It's simply a matter of the primary topic; that is, what do people expect to find when they follow that link. It should be overwhelmingly clear that to most of the world, Soviet refers to the Soviet Union. –Schmloof (talk · contribs) 17:59, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

If I have a look at the Merriam-Webster it doesn't document soviet as referring to a country, soviet is said to mean "an elected governmental council in a Communist country". There is separate meaning in plural, but this doesn't change much. I personally think this redirect is utterly uneducated, thinking that the references to soviet mean the country as such and not its system of rule. As a compromise I offer to change the redirect to Soviet (council)#Soviet_Union. --90.191.166.161 (talk) 21:40, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

That sounds good. 22:12, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I think redirecting to halfway through a page on another topic is just ridiculous when you have a proper article to redirect to. I think it should redirect to either Soviet Union or Soviet (council), and I'm biased towards Soviet (council) since of course that's what I was searching for, if I wanted to know about the Soviet Union I would have typed it into the search box. Redirecting to halfway through a page causes the link to the disambiguation page to not be visible, and that link is essential if people are going to find what they are looking for. In fact, it really needs a {{Redirect}} at the top of the target, whatever the target is. -- Tim Starling (talk) 22:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Dictionaries

Merriam-Webster may not include "Soviet" as an adjective, but the Oxford English Dictionary certainly does. "Soviet, n. and adj." Under "B. Adj", sense 1 is "Of, relating to, or having, a system of government based on soviets" (first usage 1918) and sense 2 is "Of, relating to, under the influence of, or living in the U.S.S.R." (first usage being 1920). PamD 19:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's weird, people using the term to mean "Of, relating to, under the influence of, or living in the U.S.S.R." in 1920, two long years before the USSR was founded in December 1922!Leutha (talk) 21:11, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Look at the incoming links

The purpose of a redirect is to help readers find what they are looking for. I believe that the vast majority of people will be better served if Soviet reverts to being a redirect to Soviet Union. See discussion currently going on at Talk:Soviet_(disambiguation)#Suggested_move. For the moment I'm going to revert the redirect, as I think the 4,500-5000 links within Wikipedia are overwhelmingly intended for that target. PamD 14:29, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Redirect is still wrong

Shouldn't this page redirect to Soviet people, given that Soviet was the demonym of citizens of the Soviet Union? (24.205.83.199 (talk) 03:10, 12 January 2018 (UTC))

It just needs a line with a link to Soviet people in the opening paragraph which I have added.Leutha (talk) 21:17, 16 July 2020 (UTC)