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A fact from Southern chivalry appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 14 June 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that American abolitionists co-opted the concept of Southern chivalry (caricature pictured) as an insult against pro-slavery white Southerners?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/June. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Southern chivalry.

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Comment: Leaving it up to reviewer if "Southern Chivalry" or "Southern chivalry" would be the correct mainspace title. A lot of the primary sources section it off as "Southern Chivalry", sometimes even including quotation marks, but most of the modern secondary sources just refer to a "code" or "chivalric tradition" as a common noun. Orchastrattor (talk) 10:23, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 19:16, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abolitionist caricature of the caning of Charles Sumner

... that American abolitionists co-opted the concept of Southern chivalry (caricature pictured) as an insult against pro-slavery white Southerners?

Source: Genovese, Eugene D. “The Chivalric Tradition in the Old South.” The Sewanee Review, vol. 108, no. 2, 2000, pp. 188–205. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/27548832. Accessed 12 May 2024.

ALT1: ... that American slaveowners used the patriarchal myth of the Southern gentleman to legitimize slavery? Source: Genovese, Eugene D. “The Chivalric Tradition in the Old South.” The Sewanee Review, vol. 108, no. 2, 2000, pp. 188–205. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/27548832. Accessed 12 May 2024.
ALT2: ... that the Virginia Cavaliers of the English Civil War were the basis of a widespread Cavalier myth across the Antebellum South? Source: Michie, Ian. "The Virginia Cavalier", Encyclopedia Virginia. Retrieved 12 May 2024
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Comment: Image would only fit for ALT0

Created by Orchastrattor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.

Orchastrattor (talk) 18:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC).[reply]

This wasn't an article until now?? Long enough for sure, no signs of copyvio, eligible in terms of newness and presentable. For ALT0: Interesting and the source checks out (ooh, Genovese, nice), and the image is nice and relevant too. No QPQ needed here; seems good to go. :) Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 23:27, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quick note on the bolds and redirects

So I think that "Southern chivalry" and "Cavalier myth" have enough overlap to have them listed as synonyms in the lead as they are now as a simple application of WP:SKYISBLUE, and historians seem to use the two interchangeably (I actually only found the Virginia article through an r/askhistorians thread on reddit where the responder simply referred to them as if they were one and the same), however we don't have any RS specifically stating that "X is equal to Y" so as it stands the "chivalry" and "gentleman" sides of the article are talking about the more general idea of a code of honor, while the "Cavalier" side is more about the specific literary allusions to the English Royalists and directly comparable groups. If anyone finds something on this topic we can simply add it to the lead with a short paragraph on the historiography of the two terms in relation to one another. Orchastrattor (talk) 21:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]