Talk:Southern Africa/Archive 1

Archive 1

population figure

Would it be possible to find a population figure for Southern Africa? Think it would be relevant to this article. Thanks!

persuit typo

doesn't one write "persuit" pursuit? could someone change it please. thanks

Sure thing; however you can change things yourself: just use the "edit this page" button at the top of any page. --Dewet 04:34, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

PW Botha

I also seem to recall the term Southern Africa being used by PW Botha to refer to South Africa+the "independent" bantustans (and Namibia?). I could be mistaken. 168.209.98.35 08:30, 7 May 2005 (UTC

Is there a source for this? I've never heard it used in this way, and was around during the days of the Groot Krokodil. Greenman 18:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Madagascar?

Madagascar is highlighted in the map but not listed. Is it in Southern Africa or not? Scott Ritchie 03:49, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Mauritius

I guess Mauritius is so Southern it needs to be listed twice. (Kidding) Mokeni

Seychelles

I do not seem to recall ever encountering Seychelles being referred to as a Southern African country. It is "out there" on its own but clearly easter African over southern.

It's a member of the SADC which is why it is sometimes included in this label. Pugsworth (talk) 05:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Map unreadable

Perhaps there do exist people that can differentiate between three such shades of green, but I'm not one of them. One way or another including SADC in there is unjustified. We can a second map depicting regional organizations of the area, if you will. Aris Katsaris 16:53, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Au contraire; including notions regarding previous/related – and titular – political entities is wholly relevant. All are delineated through legends, captions, and accompanying text. Arguably, said articles are as much about geopolitical meanings/interpretations for the various regions, and major ones at that, as they are about merely geographical ones. Moreover, they add credence to what are variably vague terms. Thus, including the Southern African Development Community – a major African IGO – is justified.

Alternate maps – or use of different colours – are possible, but maybe you should have discussed changes and garnered feedback before asserting an equally arbitrary point of view about the content of this and related articles. I can be compelled otherwise; until then ... E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 17:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thus, including the Southern African Development Community – a major African IGO – is justified. What about the SACU, the Southern African Customs Union? Why not include that one? Either way the argument stinks. We don't include the Asian Cooperation Dialogue in maps defining Asia, and we don't include the European Unions in maps defining Europe, and we don't include the OAS in maps defining the Americas. We might include them in *separate* maps (in the same article) that are meant to show the prominent organizations of the region, but there's a quite clear distinction between the organizations located in a region and the region itself.Aris Katsaris 18:07, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I considered also doing that and perhaps I'll make a note of it: after all, it does fully coincide with the UN subregion; however, this would've been somewhat redundant on the map because of that. The SADC has a wider membership of countries that includes what some sources indicate as also being in southern Africa ... without having said articles degenerate into a free-for-all regarding which sub/region a territory belongs in.

Relatedly as for other topical treatments: we're discussing subregions here that are variably defined and perhaps unclear (e.g., glance at Central Asia, consult the CIA Factbook or any dictionary for varied definitions/indications of what territory is in what subregion), not continents or 'macro'regions that are more clearly cut – in cases of ambiguity, there are dedicated articles for such things. I'm all for alternate ways of rendering subregions but, frankly, your approach stinks – I'll comment hereafter when necessary. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 18:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

southern vs Southern

I notice that some of the links to this article from other articles have 'southern Africa' instead of 'Southern Africa'. Is this a Wiki style thing? I didn't know there was a UN geopolitical entity, which justifies the 'S' - perhaps this article could be primarily about that (in the first paragraph). thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardson mcphillips1 (talk • contribs) 19:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it acceptable to call southern Africa south Africa with a lowercase s or is that unacceptable since there is a country called that as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.52.196.250 (talk) 08:19, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Field Guides

A significant number of field guides (especially those published in South Africa) treat southern Africa as consisting of South Africa, Lesotho, Swaziland, Namibia, Botswana, Zimbabwe, and Mozambique (south of the Limpopo river). Other publications, both scientific and popular, also use this definition. Does anyone think this merits inclusion?

http://www.sabirding.co.za/pics/tour/SA%20Map1.gif —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.114.44 (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

latitude and longitude

Can someone add the latitudes and longitudes, please?

By the way, some argues that climate in Southern Africa is similar to Eurasia because they have the same distance from equator. This enables European to grow Eurasian's crops such as Wheat and imported domestic animals, which began a massive social change in Southern African. I want to add this information on this article. But, on a second thought, I prefer discuss it first. Besides, I am not pretty sure with the reference that I was going to use (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3449100874735282191&hl=en minute 6:20). I would be pleased if someone help me on this. Thank you. Wisnuops (talk) 19:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Indian over Tamil

I have edited the word "Tamil" in the sentence to read "Indian". Tamil is too specific, whereas there is a diversity of peoples of Indian descent, both in continental southern Africa as well as out in the islands (Mauritius Reunion, even Madagascar) --Maurice45 (talk) 17:29, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Geographic region

After erading through this article a couple of times, I'm still uncertain what is meant by the "geographic" region i.e. the mid-green area shown on the map. I understand which countries are said to make it up, but what is this region - i.e. who (other than the Oxford publication cited) uses this definition and for what purpose? SP-KP (talk) 18:49, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

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