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I copied this here before starting on "cleaning (?)" it up. It's an interesting read, and I didn't want it to just disappear into the history. Is it copyvio? I don't know. I couldn't find it, and it reads like a personal effort.

1890 Southampton Dock Strike

Driving along Canute Road, seeing the smart apartments which now occupy South Western Hotel, I wonder how many Southamptonians are aware that these very roads were once scenes of riot. Police, army, Royal Navy gunboats…our ancestors certainly knew how to attract attention!

The “Docker’s Tanner” and union recognition had been won in London, 1989, after scenes of dignified processions and – more importantly, public and Australian monetary support. I think we can only hazard some kind of guess at conditions of life and death for the poor labouring classes at the end of the 19th century. A figure of an emaciated child was one of the symbols used to good effect in London when the princely sum of 6 pence for an hour’s dock labour was agreed.

Southampton had its own agitators -and those borrowed from London. Southampton Dock companies tried to get around similar agreed wage rises by offering permanent men lower rates, while not recognising the union. Southampton erupted. “Thousands” blocked Canute Road on 11 September 1890, fearful of black-leg labour being imported by the Dock Companies. Police (Borough and Railway Company) guarded Dock entrances but could not prevent the crowd pulling the driver from a train trying to enter the port. (The lines are still used today, crossing Canute Road.) Someone threw the train into reverse, saving the lives of those who would otherwise certainly have been mown down. The Royal Yorkshire Regiment was called in from Portsmouth, and the Mayor read the riot act. Soldiers used their rifle butts as weapons, while the crowd used sticks and stones. It was agreed the soldiers could fire on the crowd at the request of the Mayor, but a bayonet charge was decided on. Eventually, Canute Road was “cleared.”

Between 11 and 13 September 1890, more trains were stopped and searched by strikers while men took to boats to check for black legs entering the Dock by sea. Patrols by Royal Navy gunboats were called in to stop this.

Hunger was the most effective weapon against the strikers. An ignominious defeat of the strikers was the result. Public opinion was against them … and London union money was sent to help Australian dock workers rather than those closer to home. The situation was not clear cut in 1890. There were a variety of employers in the Docks in 1890, and the Southampton Dock Company was in financial difficulties with its new Empress Dock. Many of the public feared strikers were simply vagrants after strike pay money.

The fact was, however, that our ancestors lived in conditions of appalling degradation and misery. As a daughter of a Southampton Stevedore foreman from a more prosperous ere, I can only thank those men and women from an earlier time, whose efforts did eventually make Southamptonians able to live, as strikers of the time longed for, “ to see their children grow up” (Hants Independent March 15 1890).

The last word and sympathy must be with one dock striker of the time, tired and without means to live other than returning to work:

” I had to face the police one day, and the soldiers the next, but on Saturday night I had to face the old woman, and that was the worst of all!”

Gillian Green 31 August 2005

--Bookandcoffee(Leave msg.) 01:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]


"Scummers"

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For a long time, fans of Portsmouth FC have referred derogatively to Southampton FC as "scum" or "scummers", but although nobody really knows the origins of the insult, one theory is that it stood for "southampton company union men" - although based on urban myths of the words "shit" and "fuck" being acronyms (they're not), I'm not sure how true this is. Could any authors here shed some light on this, or will it forever remain a mystery? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.203.189.185 (talk) 17:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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