Talk:South African Arms Deal

Referencing

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Just collecting some references :-

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=9939

The British Serious Fraud Office and German prosecutors are investigating more than $200m of bribes paid in the arms deal. Besides the ANC itself, alleged recipients include the then defence minister, Joe Modise—a close Mbeki confidante until his death in 2001—and Modise's political adviser.

http://www.mg.co.za/article/2007-01-12-arms-deal-who-got-r1bn-in-pay-offs

Suspected beneficiaries of the bribes mentioned in the document are:

• Hlongwane Consulting, incorporated in 1999 by Hlongwane, the then adviser to Modise.
• Brookland Management, led by a Swiss-based David Clark, who has also registered companies in South Africa.
• Huderfield Enterprises, incorporated in 1997 in the British Virgin Islands.
• Osprey Aerospace, a South African company founded and run by Charter as the "overt" agent for British Aerospace in South Africa.
• Kayswell Services, incorporated in 1994 and contracted as a BAE consultant for the Hawk contract in the same year, was paid more than £37-million (R517-million).
• FTNSA Consulting, a company registered in the West Indies, whose principal, according to the SFO document, is Basil Hersov, former chairperson of FNB and member of President Thabo Mbeki's economic advisory panel.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/feb/08/post1070

To add to Mbeki's woes, on February 5, the influential German magazine Der Spiegel provided compelling evidence to suggest that the same Chippy Shaik allegedly solicited and received a bribe of $3m from Thyssen Krupp, a successful German bidder in the deal. This is part of $25m in "commissions" that Thyssen is alleged to have paid in South Africa.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jan/10/somethingisrotten

Among other charges, the court found that a French arms company, Thomsons CSF (now known as Thales), agreed to pay the deputy president 0.5m rand a year to ensure their role in the deal was not investigated.

Wizzy…☎ 14:53, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

I've left some of the restored content in, as Prospect and the Mail and Guardian seem like reliable sources, but I cannot emphasise enough that it is not remotely acceptable to re-add controversial claims about living people that are not fully verified by reliable sources. Every sentence requires support. I recommend, if you have access to it, using Feinstein's book, with explicit quotation and page numbers in the refs. Regards, Skomorokh 22:13, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Arrangement !

the arrangement of this article is wrong how can you end your introduction with:

"The South African government announced in November 1998 that it intended to purchase 28 BAE/SAAB JAS 39 Gripen fighter aircraft from Sweden at a cost of R10.875 billion, i.e. R388 million (about US$65 million) per plane."

and the it's "Review" the right after that you go to

"In a January 2001 report, the Attorney-General of the Western Cape and the SIU's own senior legal advisor recommended further investigation:"

I think after the first stanza the role of Patricia De lille should come up and built to how she was ignored by government then we go to the 2001 January report of the Attorny-General of Westnern cape and SIU Bobbyshabangu _talk 23:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)