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Starting to review the article based on Wikipedia:Good article criteria:

  1. Well-written: See notes below. "vthe prose is clear and the spelling and grammar are correct"
  2. Factually accurate and verifiable: See notes below. Fact-checked.
  3. Broad in its coverage: standard topics/sections for a song article: Background, musical analysis, response/charts, performance, video
  4. Neutral: WP:GAC: "it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias." - The article treats the views expressed in the references fairly and without undue weight. See Conclusion for elaboration.
  5. Stable.
  6. Illustrated: 2 Fair use images, 1 Fair use recording, several Creative Commons images: all appropriately attributed.

Signed maclean 03:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notes as I review:

  • "Background" 1st paragraph
  • References: "Paoletta, Michael (November 12, 2005). "Dancing Queen: Madonna Gets Her Groove Back". Billboard (New York: Nielsen Business Media, Inc) 117 (46): 64." & "Caulfield, Keith (February 4, 2006). "Madonna: Sorry". Billboard (New York: Nielsen Business Media, Inc) 118 (5): 56." - Am I looking at different version of Billboard? Mine show pages p26-27 and p35, not 64 and 56.
  • "Background" 2nd paragraph "Lyrically the song has excerpts of different languages including French, Italian, Dutch, Urdu, Japanese etc.[5][6]" - what in this sentence is [5] = Village Voice referencing?
  • References: please put the correct page numbers on the Billboard references.
  • "Critical response" 2nd paragraph "Jason Shawhan of About.com compared the song to Madonna's 1985 song "Material Girl".[3]" - no, he didn't. "a friend" of his did. See above.
  • "Live performances" - "...as part of the bedouin segment." - this is unclear to me. According to the wiki article, "bedouin" is a 'desert-dwelling Arab ethnic group'. Is that what is meant here?
    • That particular section had bedoiun themed dresses, music and imagery in the backdrops. Hence changed to bedouin themed.
  • "Live performances" - "...called the performance as not the concert's highlights while commented that the remix backdrop "feels ecstatic..." - this is also unclear. I'm not quite sure what he is calling the performance. And there seems to be a tense shift in there.*"Live performances" - "'...a collage of Godardian weight..." - can a wikilink be provided to what 'Godardian' refers to?
  • "Critical response" - noting the similarity of the bassline to The Jacksons song doesn't need to be done twice.
    • Combined them together.
  • "Critical response" - This section uses 2 paragraphs. I don't quite see why, though. They both seem to be using the 'x says this' type sentences throughout commenting positively (though some are neutral statements), and seemingly randomly, about the song. Is there a distinction between the 2 paragraphs that I'm not seeing? Is the first paragraph focusing on one aspect of the song and the other paragraph on another aspect?
    • A single paragraph.
Conclusion

The writing here is good. There was some trouble with the referencing which we sorted out. There is room for improvement (related to 'well-written' and 'neutral' criteria) in the "Critical response" section. I think it can be better organized along some theme. Right now, it seems like a lot of random quotes from the sources lumped together. Organizational possibilities can include: positive v. negative aspects, lyric v. music comments, quality v. style (neutral), comments on individual parts v. comments on overall effect, etc. However, the GA criteria only demands that the prose be clear and differing viewpoints be represented fairly, so this organizational issue is not a requirement of GA status, but should be considered for incorporation into the article. maclean 20:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]