Talk:Sool

POV

As Somalia disintegrated in the 1990s, 2 separatist governments arose, one is Somaliland, end the other Puntland. The region of Sool seems to be in a 3-way dispute here, between these 2 governments and one-Somalia supporters. This led, amongst other things, to the deletion of the map below.

The same problem also affects Sanaag. Samfreed 08:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Location of Sool in Somaliland/Somalia

Older Discussion

The inhabitants of the region are mainly from the Daarod clan, the sub-clan being the Dhulbhaante. These people generally favor a closer association with Puntland as they are members of the larger clan that make up the Puntland region - the Daarod clan, and do not favor to be associated with Somaliland. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.194.74.10 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 1 November 2006

Got rid of unsourced "99%" POV claim

Editors and watchers of this article will definitely continue to hammer on any anonymous (or even registered) users who try to assert that "99%" of the region, or any other percentage cited which is utterly unsourced. If people try to introduce statistics, they better have a good source for them, and not just be pulling numbers out of the air. We have seen multiple problems in Somali articles where authors make up numbers to suit their POV. Please avoid doing this, or the article can get locked down. Thank you. --Petercorless 08:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

terroist acts

.and Members of Dhulbahante’s religious order and elders have been holding a secret meeting organised by Banadir Islamic Society with Al Shabab in Somalia’s capital for the past week which is a terrorist group — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muktar allebbey (talk • contribs) 01:47, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

References

Location

The Sool region of Somalia is located in the country of Somalia, why is it listed as a "country" of Somaliland? when we all know it lacks international recognition, even the de facto satus doesn't warrant the listing of an actual country. Logically for Sool to be part of Somaliland (Puntland also claims Sool) it would mean that Somaliland government has full control of all regions/towns and villages of Sool. An as you know this is factually incorrect.

Boocame - city in Sool is controlled by Puntland government. ... olka-sool/

Xudun - large city in Sool not fully controlled by Somaliland as this article shows Puntland authorities providing special grant programs, this is evidence of puntland presence deep in Sool territory as of Oct 2016 [1]

Tukaraq - small city in eastern sool, located between Garowe (the administrative capital of Puntland) and Las Anod. This city is also located in Sool and not controlled by Somaliland ... raqsawiro/ title of article in somali " Puntland delegation and toured local SSC (Pictures)". Another city with significant Puntland precesence in Sool.

My concern is why is Sool shown and listed as a region in Somaliland despite these cities failing to be under the control of Somaliland? Sool should be shown to located in the country of Somalia, which seems more relevant and factually correct. To the user that keeps changing this article to be Somaliland despite evidence to the contrary, can you at least have an attempt of neutralisation because it seems way to biased. The only argument that Somaliland has on these regions is control of ALL areas and cities and it fails in this aspect as i've shown.

You have already been blocked indefinitely twice, please cease the disruptive edits. All of your points have been answered before, but lets try one last time.

Your assertion regarding the de facto status being an issue is incorrect. Somaliland is a de facto state and has more control over its territory than the UN recognised Somalia (who relies on the protection of 22,000 AMISOM and can not control its territory.)

Puntland does claim parts of Sool, but the Federal Government, which Puntland comes under, denied them both Sool and Sanaag [2]. There was also the statment of the former President of the Federal Government declaring Puntland to be comprised of only 2.5 regions (Bari, Nugaal and northern Mudug, out of 18 regions of the Somali Republic) [3].

Somaliland has control over all the large settlements. Including Xudun (which you've mentioned), here is the Mayor of Xudun talking about the draught conditions just 3 weeks ago [4]. Here is a video reportage of the visit by Somaliland delegation including Minister of Interior of Somaliland, this happened today was posted just two hours ago [5].

As for Boocame and Tukaraq, you are absolutely wrong, these are not cities but tiny villages close to the border.

Somaliland is in control in Sool because it controls the capital of every district within Sool:

• Lascanood
• Xudun
• Taleex
• Caynaba

Hope that puts this issue to rest. Please do not come back with a different sockpuppet to raise the same issue. Kzl55 (talk) 15:52, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

"Somaliland is in control because it controls capital of every district within Sool":

This is factually incorrect. I do agree that Somaliland control Lascanood and Caynabo cities not the full district of Las Anod. But as for Xudun and Taleh, Somaliland do not have full control either. There is Puntland (a rival administration) presence in Xudun and Taleh.

As you know the region of Boocame, is located in the Las Anod district [6] If Somaliland had full control of the Las Anod district it would control all areas of the Las Anod district including Boocame right? Well Boocame is controlled by Puntland ... olka-sool/ Tukaraq is also located in the Las Anod district and is controlled by Puntland government form Garowe. Evidence here... raqsawiro/. Again these two "villages" are located inside the Las ::Anod district and controlled by Puntland government which is conclusive proof that Somaliland do not control all of Las Anod district. You have conflated Somaliland's control of the city of Las Anod with the entire district.

As for Xudun and Taleh (The cities as well as the districts) Somaliland do not fully control these areas either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyRoggan2424 (talk • contribs) 12:45, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Sool

In the 1960s Sool was located under the Burco district but this was reorganised in the 1980s. Region of Sool used to be part of the Nugaal province but it split in 1984 [7]. This was inline with the previous version of the article, since it explicitly stated this.

"Sool could not have been part of Nuugal as this was under British Protectorate"

As i've said Nugaal province did include Sool until it split in 1984, evidence here [8]. Meaning the Nugaal today is not the same as the Nugaal in the 1980s when it was not slpit yet.

The source states "Sool region split from Nugaal (SO11). FIPS has also changed the code for Togdheer from SO15, suggesting that FIPS believes that Togdheer was also affected by this change."

Since the Togdheer region was affected when Nugaal split, this is direct evidence that Nugaal included Sool as its region, if not then how could Togdheer (which is 10s of KM west of Nugaal today) be affected by this change? the only way this is possible is that before the split Nugaal included the region of Sool. This is inline perfectly with the previous version of the article.

Sool, however, was know to be in "Burco district" up until 1982

Source states "~1982: Somalia reorganized from eight provinces into sixteen regions."

This was conveniently left out in the article as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyRoggan2424 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive edits. Sool was part of Burco region, there is nothing on that page that indicates it was included in Nugaal, only that there was some reorganisation ~1982 and then it was somehow 'split from Nugaal': Sool region split from Nugaal . FIPS has also changed the code for Togdheer from SO15, suggesting that FIPS believes that Togdheer was also affected by this change. Geographically, it's possible that part of Togdheer was attached to Sool.

They are clearly unsure about this whereas it is a fact that Sool was part of Burco. Furthermore even if (big if) it was 'reorganised' into Nugaal in 1982, and then split from Nugaal in 1984, that is only two years that Sool was part of Nugaal whereas it was part of Burco since Somaliland was a protectorate! Two years is insignificant in comparison to almost a hundred years of Sool being part of Burco.

Please self-revert your edit and cease the disruptive edits. Kzl55 (talk) 11:59, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

"They are clearly unsure about this" I doubt it very much when the source explicitly states "Sool region split from Nugaal". These are not my words. Regardless the key point here is that Sool was former burco distrct. And this was true before the reorganisation, there is no ambiguity here.

This is very clearly and precise, source states under the timeline:

"~1964: North-Eastern (Burao) Province formed by merging Burao, Erigavo, and Las Anod districts; "

"~1982: Somalia reorganized from eight provinces into sixteen regions."

These are facts please stop your disruptive edits you can add the burco part but don't remove Sool being part of former Nugaal — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnnyRoggan2424 (talk • contribs) 12:19, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Demographic

This is a weird one. On one hand you have the former region of Sool, as it appears in the article's map with all four districts. The demographics for this one are straightforward, both Harti and Isaaq clans live and are represented in the region. We then have the new Somaliland regions of 2008 Talk:Somaliland#Administrative Regions of Somaliland in which Sool is split into Saraar and Sool. In this case many of the non Harti inhabitants of the original Sool are now part of Saraar (Xudun seems to still be part of Sool). What is confusing about the demographics section in the article was that it had a map of the former Sool region (with both Harti and Isaaq) but only referenced Harti (implying it is the Somaliland Sool region). So I have added all groups into that section to avoid any confusing as almost everyone reading that page would assume it is the Sool region of the former Somali Republic (and pre 2008 Somaliland). Kzl55 (talk) 19:49, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah, just noticed this... Apologies. Do add sources if you want to re-add the other clans, though. Awale-Abdi (talk) 05:28, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring

I have had it with the edit warring over the Somaliland-Somlia dispute. Use the talk page talk, IPs and new accounts. The issue has been debated at length, and we have reached consensus to go with Somaliland. But feel free to contribute further to the discussion concerning this. But the constant back-and-fourth is not acceptable. I have semiprotected the article for one week, and further protection will be longer, so if you have something to add, do so here, on the talk page. El_C 21:33, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for doing this, it has been going for far too long. Any chance of extending protection to some of the other pages the sock is active on? Kzl55 (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 July 2017

LibanBuhodle (talk) 18:25, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Please clarify the changes you would like to make in the format "change X to Y". --Kzl55 (talk) 18:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Sool Region is mostly inhabited by the DHULBAHANTE [9] -LibanBuhodle 18:34, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Undone

Linkjan2014, please use the talk page before reverting content. EELagoon (talk) 06:43, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 October 2020

SolidMali92 (talk) 15:51, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Many of what is labelled is incorrect. Las anod is part of Somalia and not Somaliland so I would appreciate to have to opportunity to undo many of the wrongs that has been done.

Thank you

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 5 June 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Acknowledging the objections, it appears there is sufficient consensus for the article to be moved to 'Sool, Somaliland'. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jack Frost (talk) 02:26, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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Sool, Somalia → Sool, Somaliland – The title is unrelated as Sool is a part of Somaliland and is described as that throughout the entire article. There is almost no mention of Somalia save for the part that covers Somaliland's dispute with Puntland over the region.

Another thing is that Sool is under Somaliland's control and jurisdiction. Somalia has no sovereignty over the region. Dabaqabad (talk) 01:24, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support. This area is the subject of an active territorial dispute. Somaliland has controlled it only since 2007. 99to99 (talk) 10:51, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Somaliland isn't generally recognized as a country though? I don't think this descriptor is false, and either option is controversial.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:36, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment @Ortizesp: No one is denying that however since Somalia has no sovereignty in Sool and the article constantly mentions Somaliland and not Somalia it would be misleading to keep the title. Then is the fact that this is the longstanding consensus on this topic; to mark articles as Somaliland while letting the Somaliland article itself deal with the issue of lack of recognition (see Sahil, Somaliland). Dabaqabad (talk) 20:01, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
• Support. Or rename to sool region. --Siirski (talk) 21:44, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support: This region has been under the control of Somaliland for more than a decade. A recent paper by Institute of Public Policy commenting on the 2021 Somaliland elections discussed Sool as follows: "Somaliland controls all major electoral districts (Las-Anod, Xudan, Talex) of the Sool territory, not only militarily, but at all levels of governance." [10]. --Kzl55 (talk) 14:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

• Support Sool is under the jurisdiction of Somaliland and the article's title should reflect that. Jacob300 (talk) 17:24, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 June 2021

Sool, Somalia is a city part of Somalia even though it’s claimed by the unrecognized state of Somaliland. It is crucial that we follow and respect international laws by respecting the Federal republic of Somalia and her sovereignty. Marking one of her regions as Somaliland is a direct threat to her sovereignty, thank you. 174.214.28.68 (talk) 14:25, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. Please discuss above. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Category talk:Disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland

Please see the category talk page for issues relating to conformity in editing articles about the disputed territory between Somaliland and Puntland. Amirah talk 16:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC) Amirah talk 16:20, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Fiqishini

@Heesxiisolehh: I removed what you added about the Fiqishini since the source you cited could not be found. I've added sourced content that confirm that the Fiqishini are Habar Gidir/Hawiye. Gebagebo (talk) 23:07, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gebagebo: The Ajuran claim in the "repertoires" source is arguably more credible since it gives two tertiary citations (1, Schlee, and 2, field research), whereas in the 2015 source a tertiary citation isn't given. By the way both sources state that Fiqishini is integrated into the Baho Nugaaleed both segmentally and politically. If you're unable to access the "repertoire" source for the second point, see page 103 in the source you used which says an analogous thing. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 23:42, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

You mean Between Somaliland and Puntland by Markus Hoehne? 103 only mentions a "parliament of around 47 members including quotas for women and for non-Dhulbahante minorities such as Midgan, Tumaal, and Fiqishiine, all residing in the Dhulbahante territories". If anything Ajuuraan aren't even mentioned in that book.

Political Orientations and Repertoires of Identification: State and Identity Formation in Northern Somalia does support your claim but then again many reliable sources (including the sources I cited) tend to place them within the Habar Gidir or at least the Hawiye. Gebagebo (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Key word is "second point". My second point wasn't about Ajuran. Heesxiisolehh (talk) 01:18, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 10 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moving to Sool per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 05:24, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

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Sool, Somaliland → Sool (region) – This article about the Sool region was for a long time previously called Sool, Somalia, it was moved to this current recently. A less controversial name for the page would be Sool (Region). The region is contested by Somalia, Puntland, Somaliland, and Khaatumo. It would limit the edit warring that regularly occurs on the article if this move is made. Moreover, readers would find the page more easily via search engines, at the moment there is no consensus on which entity the region should be attributed to: see my [page] and a in-depth discussion ragarding points of contention here. Shirshore (talk) 02:06, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Sool. The other articles at the dabpage get minimal pageviews [11] and don't seem overly notable, I think we can call this a primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 04:40, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• Agreed. @Cordless Larry: is this possible? Either sool (region) or as @162 etc.: suggests — Sool would suffice. Shirshore (talk) 23:42, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

• It's possible if there's consensus, yes. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:22, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

___ @Cordless Larry: Thanks. As opposing editors have not intervened, can we take that as consensus on the proposal — that it be moved to Sool? Shirshore (talk) 17:25, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

"The discussion may be closed 7 days after being opened, if consensus has been reached". Cordless Larry (talk) 17:37, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: Okay, thanks! Shirshore (talk) 18:11, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

• Move "Sool" to "Sool (disambiguation)," "Sool, Somaliland" to "Sool." The attribution of this area is disputed between Somaliland and Puntland,[12] and is in effect also partially controlled by Somaliland and Puntland, respectively. (Most of it is effectively controlled by Somaliland.) [13] "Sool, Somaliland", "Sool, Somalia", both expressions may violate WP:POV.--Freetrashbox (talk) 20:42, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Sool I agree with 162 etc.. Gebagebo (talk) 21:56, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Move to [[Sool] as per above.--Ortizesp (talk) 01:33, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

March 22

@Jacob300: You have reverted sourced edits without clear explanation. Please self revert. Thanks, Shirshore (talk) 14:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Shirshore:

Thank you for your message. I have reverted your recent edit as it breaches WP:POV.

This is because there is an already long-standing consensus to mark regions such as Sool as Somaliland and having the main Somaliland article deal with the issue of Somalia/Somaliland.

Furthermore, your edit is unconstructive and can be deemed to push a certain agenda. Please refrain from POV editing in the future, especially since this has been highlighted to yourself previously and led to you being blocked.

Many thanks, Jacob300 (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jacob300: I have not seen a “consensus” which determined such decision. If it does exist that would amount to a violation of Wikipedia guidelines as every article exists independently and should provide relevant information that concerns the topic of the article.

In my edits I have ensured to provide credible sources which direct likely support the edit. Moreover, the citation which were already included in the passage attest my rewording.

The only points we can disagree on the credibility of the sources. If you agree the sources I have provided are credible, then this would be disruptive ending on your part, so please revert these edits immediately. You have already reverted my edits twice if you revert it a third time you will breach three revert rule. Shirshore (talk) 15:29, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Country

@Siirski: I saw your edit. The beginning of the edition by you is accompanied by the sources [5]-[10]. These sources clearly state that the Sool region is a disputed area between Somaliland and Puntland. On the other hand, unfortunately, there is no source for the statement that your version indicates that Somaliland is the only country that owns the Sool region. For this reason, I have reverted your version. Freetrashbox (talk) 05:00, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Your revert

@Seepsimon: I saw your edit. Your description makes it seem as if Sool is an inherent territory of Somaliland and Puntland is unjustly invading it. This statement is highly contrary to the "neutral point of view" policy. If you are going to make the statement as you suggest, you need to give a clear source. Freetrashbox (talk) 13:57, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

There is a title already in the article called territory dispute Add what you want there Sool is an inherent territory of Somaliland. And somaliland controlled 90% of sool It is the Somalia who claims the region like they claim to the other regions of Somaliland And these articles are the regions of somaliland

Seepsimon (talk) 14:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

@Seepsimon: If you want to state "(Hudun is the) region of Somaliland", you need to indicate a reliable source. Freetrashbox (talk) 14:17, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2023

2001:14BB:CE:B816:9857:D012:6D12:2F7F (talk) 15:56, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

 Not done You don't seem to have requested an edit here. TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 15:57, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Somaliland or Somaliland/Somalia

@Madarkis: I saw your edit. You changed my description

Sool (Somali: Sool, Arabic: صول) is an administrative region (gobol) in south eastern Somaliland/north western Somalia.

to

Sool (Somali: Sool, Arabic: صول) is an administrative region (gobol) in south eastern Somaliland.

by the reason "unnecessary edit - Section on territory dispute is mentioned."

However, your editing is inappropriate. First, the "Territorial dispute" section refers to the dispute between Somaliland and Puntland, not the dispute with Somalia. The word Somalia should not be removed on this basis. Second, even if Puntland were to be read as Somalia, it would be contrary to WP:POV to erase only Somalia, leaving Somalidand on the other hand. In this case, either both should be erased or both should be left. Either of these would be fine, but I think both should left, as the place name Sool is probably unknown to all but those familiar with the area. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:19, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

This issue has been previously debated and consensus has been reached that Sool is under Somaliland. This page was previously protected to prevent edit warring and the fact that you are continuing this edit war shows bad faith. Please stop continuing to revert the page. Madarkis (talk) 18:21, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

@Madarkis: Please indicate the page name and the time the debate and consensus has been reached.--Freetrashbox (talk) 20:05, 12 January 2023 (UTC) @Madarkis: It is not normal for Wikipedia to create the consensus such as "A is under B" is made on Wikipedia, and there does not seem to be such the consensus, at least on this talk page. Rather, as noted above, we cannot write anything on Wikipedia that contradicts the source.--Freetrashbox (talk) 20:18, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

@Madarkis: There was no response, so I reverted the description. Please answer the above question.--Freetrashbox (talk) 11:22, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hawkers994: I am just writing the description as I source it, as I explained above. But you are deleting entire sources of statements that are inconvenient to you assuming that's destructive editing. Wikipedia statements must be based on sources. This is true in general, but it is necessary when a question is raised by another editor. Generally, most of the time is spent on citation research in order to write a Wikipedia article. You are not making that effort. Consider which is preferable: source-based editing ,or truth(?)-based editing without showing sources. I am not claiming that Sool is owned by Somalia. I am simply writing faithfully to the source. So the statement that Sool is not Somaliland is also deleted if there is no source. (See, [14], [15].) On the other hand, you write only in favor of Somaliland, irrespective of the explanation of the source. Which do you think is the more neutral description? See, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Freetrashbox (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

There is no somalia government presence in this region as indicated by the sources in the article [16] theres no need to put somalia flag as its a region of somaliland under Somaliland government control. Hawkers994 (talk) 12:31, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hawkers994: The source you indicated is the one I found and attached to this article. One editor removed the statement that "Sool is part of Somaliland," and no source was given for this at the time, so I have filled in. What I am saying is that I would like you to have that kind of editorial attitude. The source you showed has a statement that Sool is Somaliland, while the source you removed has a statement that Sool is Somalila. In other words, there are more than two opinions on the attribution of Sool. In such cases, Wikipedia requires both opinions to be written. Freetrashbox (talk) 20:41, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Rever to my earlier reply, sources in article and government presence on the ground say otherwise. WO:POV says opinions are not fatcs. Hawkers994 (talk) 11:20, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

@Hawkers994: There are many disputed areas in the world, and the country that effectively controls the area claims that the area is its own inherent territory, and they say there is no territorial issue on that area. Your assertion is a passive response to the Somaliland government's assertion and clearly contradicts WP:POV. And You use Wikipedia rules only where it suits you. For example, Badhan is effectively controlled by Puntland, as President Puntland dissolved the city council in 2018. By your logic Badhan is Puntland, but you edit that Badhan is Somaliland in 2018. How do you explain this? However, this discussion is not complicated; it is simple: if we have the source, we can describe it, and if we don't have the source, we can't describe it. Freetrashbox (talk) 12:17, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Badhan is not even in this region its an entirely different region, all sources show there is no somalia presence in this entire region [17] infoboxes should relate to that. WO:POV says opinions are not fatcs.

@Hawkers994: Is the above comment in response to my "there are more than two opinions"? Both of the pages shown here are from reliefweb.info. The source you indicated (which I actually found) says "Sool region, located in Somaliland's southeast." Another source (here's one I found, too.) says "Sool region, Somalia." Both documents were written by reliefweb.info and are not much different in reliability. If the latter is unreliable, then the former is also unreliable. Yet you say the former is reliable while the latter is not. This alone shows that you are not protecting WP:POV. In addition to this, your editing attitude is different in Sool and Badhan. (A Somali language video is not evidence in English Wikipedia. In addition, Berbera News is a Somaliland mass media outlet, and its statements regarding Somaliland's claims are not neutral.) Freetrashbox (talk) 11:43, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 21 March 2023

MJ Abdi (talk) 18:24, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Sool is not part of Somaliland a non-recognized enclave it is part of the Federal Government of Somalia, and it is part of the SSC Administration (SSC = Sanaag, Sool & Cayn). Many of the facts claimed here are not accurate, regarding the Sool region. I would also be interested of the sources of these claims.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. M.Bitton (talk) 18:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Sool, Somalia

Sool region is no more under Somaliland administration Since 25th August, the last soldier wrapped the Somaliland's flag and left throughout the region's border after fierce fight between Ssc-Khaatumo administration and Somaliland. The region was under control of Somaliland since 15th October 2007. Gaylame (talk) 09:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Sool region is no more under Somaliland administration Since 25th August, the last soldier wrapped the Somaliland's flag and left throughout the region's border after fierce fight between Ssc-Khaatumo administration and Somaliland. The region was under control of Somaliland since 15th October 2007. Gaylame(talk) 09:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC) 2001:4BC9:1F9B:33F5:ECDD:4620:4B1:CA20 (talk) 20:56, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

As per source

@Binglebarry:@Khaatumo 12:@Muscab30: If you are going to fix the article, please make sure it is in line with the source. Binglebarry, in your edit, you changed the subdivision_name from Somalia to Somaliland, but the source rather indicate that this place is not Somaliland. Please find references that indicate that this place is Somaliland, and make both sides of the argument. Khaatumo 12 and Muscab30, in your edits, you changed the first sentence from "Administrative divisions of Somaliland" to "Administrative divisions of Somalia," but the article on reliefweb.int, which is the source of this statement, indicates that the place is/was under the control of Somaliland as of 2022. There is absolutely no value in editing without checking the source. Freetrashbox (talk) 00:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Sool, Somalia

@Binglebarry as per your discussion in here your argument is Sool is under Somaliland which is untrue. As per new updates on the news on 25th August SSC-Khaatumo forces removed Somaliland long occupation of Sool region after local residents experienced human right violations such torture, extrajudicial killing of civilians and indiscriminate shelling of civilians and civilian facilities in Laascaanod the capital city of Sool region. According to sources available on reliefweb.int Sool is one of the 18 administrative region of Somalia.dont regularly change pages without reliable and concrete evidences (refrefcence). @freetrahbox Muscab30 (talk) 01:54, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know, Somaliland received international condemnation for the Las Anod hospital attack, but not as strongly overall; in the Las Anod battle, both sides involved in the fighting were blamed, not Somaliland unilaterally. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view carefully. Freetrashbox (talk) 04:59, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Clearly there is bias with this page and many like it in the Sool and Cayn articles, we have provided many proofs of sool being part of somalia, yet still there is debate. @Binglebarry is clearly turning a blind eye to the sources me and @Muscab30 shown for the ssc regions (check las anod talk page for sources), and yes, sool is an administrative divison of somalia, becuse somalia recognized it as so on october 19 2023. Any source that says sool is part of somaliland, is before the victory of the ssc forces in goojacde (august 25th 2023). What is even disrespectful to me and @Muscab30, is that we were threatened with a ban because of "bias" (from @Binglebarry), even though like i said, i have provided sources with my edit in the sool area. Speaking of no value, what does have no value though, is being the big bad wolf to facts, and trying to scare us away into not editing what is actually going on in the region. I know these articles need sources, but sometimes it really is hard finding some when it comes to these regions. It also is disappointing (not saying these are 100% valid sources but an explanation of knowledge on the region.) is that i have personal connections that are in the regions giving me constant update. So it is up to the editors that can actually update this region and further do research to do their part and contribute. Food for thought........ Khaatumo 12 (talk) 01:27, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

The Somalia Federal government's view is more neutral than that of the parties to the dispute. However, it would be difficult for them to see fairly that SSC-Khatumo, which wants to join Somalia, and Somaliland, which refuses to join Somalia. We need sources like BBC and VOA that have nothing to do with Somalia or Somaliland. Freetrashbox (talk) 02:13, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately BBC is not a trustable source in this case because they have another Somali channel called BBC Somali were most writers and journalists are primarily from Somalia. Binglebarry (talk) 04:22, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

If you say that BBC Somali is not neutral because it is influenced by Somalia, then the logic is that the Somaliland government's announcement is also not neutral. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:45, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

This is a half true statement as when the Somaliland government issues videos and articles/Documents they have evidence to back up their information. The "bias" in this situation of sources does not mean that the sources itself is fabricated. Please remember that I have given you many credible and recent sources with evidence that show that The Somaliland military is still existent and active inside the State of Sool. In addition to this the Governor of Sool is still administering the state within Somalilands control. Binglebarry (talk) 21:24, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

In territorial disputes, both parties usually have hard evidence. That alone does not make them neutral. If you are going to use such sources, make sure to add the proviso "according to Somaliland government" and further write the other party's side of the dispute, so that it is expressed in a neutral manner. Freetrashbox (talk) 23:18, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

From my sources which are mostly videos, they show where the military forces are situated. However the other parties sources are very vague and show no evidence whatsoever. They simply just have text with nothing proving the quote was really existent. Binglebarry (talk) 03:43, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Your explanation is not a good reason for you to engage in an editorial battle. It is amazing that you are still reverting on this page. Freetrashbox (talk) 04:03, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

This statement is very problematic were you say "I know these articles need sources, but sometimes it really is hard finding some when it comes to these regions. It also is disappointing (not saying these are 100% valid sources but an explanation of knowledge on the region.) is that i have personal connections that are in the regions giving me constant update". First off I want to state that you say "but sometimes it really is hard finding some when it comes to these regions" is a very contradicting statement where you admit to your sources don't have evidence making some or maybe all not credible. Also, whether its really hard or not, Wikipedia does not prefer not chose to uphold these type of statements. It does not matte id it is hard to find sources for you claims, If you can't find anything credible, then don't edit it in the first place. Second off I want to say that were you say "is that i have personal connections that are in the regions giving me constant update" is not okay whatsoever. From the most probable thought you are referring to "connections" to family members or friends. Please remember that this is not a credible source whatsoever. This is a "he said she said" type information and cannot be taken from at all. No where has wikipedia promoted this nor upheld this idea let alone news article pages. Such things are definitely considered Bias all the way. Binglebarry (talk) 04:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately for you your sources are contradictory. If you simply compare the pages title and the text following you will see that it says both "The protracted humanitarian crisis in Somaliland is multi-layered..." and then following this on the right hand bar says "Primary country - Somalia". Please remember that just because it is a a UN issued source does not mean it is always correct. Binglebarry (talk) 04:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Sool isn’t a disputed region

Why is this clown freetrashbox using sources from 2+ years ago to continue this false claim that Sool is a disputed region? Sool has been clearly under SSC-Khaatumo for a year now after Somaliland was removed Laascaanood. Hassanm1811 (talk) 00:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a source that all of Sool in now under SSC-Khatumno control? I know large parts have been taken by SCC, but it seems like some parts near the Somaliland border were still under Somaliland control back when SCC took Laascaanood. If we can get a source for that we can probably change it into "a region of Somalia claimed by Somaliland". I don't speak any of the languages of that area, so maybe more local sources do show more frequent updates on the conflict.

BTW, Don't call people clowns that falls under WP:CIVIL. Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 06:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Most of the news is in Somali. I'm troubled that there is an insistence on silencing the voices of the indigenous people. Wikiz1999 (talk) 19:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

It doesn’t matter who controls what; Wikipedia maintains a neutral point of view, and claiming the region is solely part of Somalia without acknowledging the dispute is misleading. Can you provide a reliable source stating that Somaliland has dropped all claims to the region? If not, it remains disputed, as both entities claim the area as theirs. Additionally, SSC-Khaatumo doesn’t fully control the entire area. The source for controls comes from the Crisis Group in October 2023 (not even two years ago), which showed the front line cutting through the region. Do you have any reliable source saying they’ve also captured Aynaba? Neither the Somaliland nor Somalia pages on the website have suggested any shift on the front lines in the area since then. Wowzers122 (talk) 12:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

There isn’t anything neutral or objective about this site. Why does what Somaliland claim mean anything if they don’t control the region? Technically speaking Puntland still claims Sool region as part of PL too. Why don’t we put PL’s flag on the page too while we’re at it? This site is clearly biased in favor of Somaliland.

“Additionally, SSC-Khaatumo doesn’t fully control the entire area.”

“Do you have any reliable source saying they’ve also captured Aynaba?”

Why don’t we claim Togdheer region is disputed between SSC and Somaliland then? Buhodle district is technically part of Togdheer region and is fully governed by Khaatumo. Stop the double-standards. Hassanm1811 (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

We just want reliable sources. If you provide reliable sources saying it isn't disputed we can put it. We do have reliable sources saying it is disputed, so that is what we write.

Speederzzz (Talk) (Stalk me) 18:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

You want a source that says that Somaliland gives up it's claim, but you reject anything the Somali people living in Sool have to say. Why?

part of Quebec still wants to leave Canada, but Quebec is still part of Canada and nobody silences the Canadians from Quebec who don't want to separate

so. Why are you silencing the people of Sool? Wikiz1999 (talk) 19:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

the people you are talking to are the indigenous people of Sool. We have finally united and declared ourselves independent of both Puntland and Somaliland. We are finally our true selves and yet I have to keep correcting this page that pretty much disrespects our hard won liberty.

Somaliland will never give up their claim to our lands because they based their whole bid for independence on colonial borders. We Dhulbahante never signed a treaty with the British. We never recognized the colonizer.

btw...Somaliland is the colonizers name for us and is particularly hurtful. To put us under that heading is to dead name us. We know who we are. We are and have always been part of Somalia. Stop calling us by that other name. It is disrespectful. Wikiz1999 (talk) 19:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Sool is part of Somalia.

Somalia's federal govt has declared this region a federal member state. The territory in question is internationally recognized as Somalia and under the jurisdiction of Somali Federal Govt. Wikiz1999 (talk) 00:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

@Wikiz1999: Wikipedia should have a neutral point of view (WP:NPOV). Just because a government says something is theirs doesn't mean we should remove all the other viewpoints. Somaliland claims the area and partially controls it (https://www.crisisgroup.org/asia/south-asia/bangladesh-democratic-republic-congo-ethiopia-somaliland/horizon-october-2023-march) Wowzers122 (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

you may not be up to date with news, but Somaliland doesn't control this area. That is factual. There is no bias in facts. Please do your research.

Additionally, the federal government has jurisdiction, therefore it's declaration has standing. Example. I can claim to own your house, but legally I have no standing.

If you want neutrality then we should point out that BOTH Somaliland and Puntland claimed ownership of this area. Neither had legal standing. And since 2023, Sool was under the administration of SSC Khaatumo. Agreed? Wikiz1999 (talk) 18:20, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable source (WP:RS) stating that SSC-Khaatumo controls the entire area and that Puntland claims it as its own? The source I provided shows SSC-Khaatumo controlling most, but not all, of it. Wowzers122 (talk) 19:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Who do you consider reliable? Wikiz1999 (talk) 19:45, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Reliable sources Wowzers122 (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

thank you for that.

There are plenty of maps on google showing territory controlled. Pick your poison.

the primary issue here is that the voices of indigenous people is being silenced.

We need to remove wording that Sool is in Somaliland, factually state that it is east Africa and create a 'section for the disputes'.

that is neutral. Wikiz1999 (talk) 20:14, 7 December 2024 (UTC)