Talk:Solicitation/Archives/2012

Soliciting in England and Wales

Are we sure the comment about soliciting in England and Wales is correct? Both these reports refer to a man being convicted of “soliciting murder”. No mention of prostitutes, because they are sexy!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6427419.stm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article1485222.ece

Could be sloppy journalism but they are both fairly respectable news outlets. Bombot 10:14, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It won't be sloppy journalism, these agents are using the word in one correct sense of English. In the English language soliciting (the act of solicitation) is the act of requesting a service (often advice) which may or may not entail compensation. In the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, The Republic of Ireland, Australia, New Zealand and Canada a solicitor is a legal advisor and representative. My point is, one can solicit advice, business or assistance for anything, legal or not. Soliciting help to open a jam jar would be a simple example. My opinion is that the article is biased towards an American common usage of the word. 79.67.61.83 (talk) 04:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

China?

The assertion that "solicitation" is used in China needs verifiable authority. What is the word used in the Chinese language; how or why does it translate to solicitiation rather than incitement, counsel(l)ing, procuring, etc, and how does it compare or differ? And in what other "nations" using English, is "solicitation" rather than any other form used? I have explained what happens in the Commonwealth countries. I leave it to others either to restore the U.S. only legal limitation or identify specific nations that use solicitation. David91 02:15, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Other meanings

Solicitation usually is defined as oral persuasion to join in some endeavor or buy some product or service. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.22.31.168 (talk • contribs) 19:02, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

To expand on 24.22.31.168's point, I was disappointed to see that this article is restricted to the idea of solicting a crime, as opposed to general solicitation for contributions, employment, religious proselytization, etc., which is a term that comes up in legal issues as well. I came here to start investigating the legal concept of "solicitation", as it relates to this definition provided in a California appeals case: Fat cow

I came here because I doubt that religious proselytization is necessarily and strictly speaking solicitation. If soliciting means to beg for something, and the religious proselytizer is not asking for anything, then I don't see how it is soliciting. He could just be handing out gospel tracts. Pooua (talk) 08:43, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

"Solicit, ask or beg" shall include using the spoken, written, or printed word, or bodily gestures, signs or other means with the purpose of obtaining an immediate donation of money or other thing of value or soliciting the sale of goods or services. — "LA Alliance v City of LA (97-56742), "III. Statement of Facts"". FindLaw. August 3, 1998. Retrieved 2007-01-13. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

This covers far more than solicitation for criminal activities. The problem of regulating solicitation for legal activities versus personal privacy and the inability to avoid such solicitations is a hot button in many U.S. jurisdictions. It seems an oversight that this concept isn't even mentioned in this article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:20, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

This article is obviously only about the crime. If the other meanings are captured in a relevant article (hint hint), it might be usefull to move this to Solicitation (crime).Mneumisi 03:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I got the hint. ☺ I'm afraid I'm spending too much time in meatspace at the moment, and was (am) hoping that someone will want to step up to the plate on this. The main reason I took the trouble of finding the quote and providing a formal citation for it was to prime the pump, so to speak. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:03, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Soliciting isn't always a crime.

I understand that the article operates within Criminal Law. However, if someone types "solicitation" in google or in Wikipedia, this is where they're taken. So, I don't think this should be the only listing of "solicitation," perhaps we need a new page which explains the different meanings equally, rather than stating "solicitation is the name of a crime." --Coching (talk) 21:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)