Talk:Sofia the First

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Did you know... that Sofia the First was deemed "risky" but subsequently became the most-viewed program in its category?

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Pocahontas?

Can Pocahontas be in Sofia the First, too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.94.147 (talk) 19:12, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Add next episode listing from http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tv/sofia-the-first-the-silent-knight/EP015107620041 . 24.35.18.187 (talk) 17:57, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done! AD (talk) 22:36, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cast

In this edit I have brought the cast section into conformity with MOS:TV#Cast, i.e. two sections of Main cast and Recurring cast. There was no clear reason why we had a unique section for Disney Princesses. 1) Disney Princesses aren't cast, they are characters. Switching the focus suddenly onto characters in our cast section is not consistent with MOS. 2) If the Disney Princess cast is part of the main cast, they should be there. If they are part of the recurring cast, they should be in that section, not floating in a purgatorial third section. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:29, 20 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree...I think the Disney Princesses should be separate because they're are cameos that appear uniquely. They're not necessarily recurring characters, nor main, since they only appear once in awhile. However, they are a big part of the show though. Small5th (talk) 15:22, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for responding. You basically just described what a recurring character is: "they only appear once in awhile. However, they are a big part of the show". Why do we need a separate section when simply describing them as a Disney Princess, and highlighting their significance in prose would suffice? Keep in mind also, that this article is for the layperson, i.e. people unfamiliar with the series like myself. When I look at a list of characters and see Main and Recurring, that makes sense to me and I know what to expect. If there's a third section, Disney Princesses, this is confusing because we're making three distinctions and Disney Princesses doesn't intuitively belong, particularly with no context to explain. Main, Recurring and Minor would make more sense, but we're not interested in minor characters per MOS:TV. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should clarify. In actuality, they only make singular cameos. There is potential for one of them to return in future episodes, but I think when the show was first created they were envisioned to only appear once in the whole show. Perhaps we can create a section called "Disney Princess Cameos?" They are definitely NOT recurring, for recurring in my definition is a character that has appeared at least twice in the whole series. However, they ARE important, because Disney always bills them as "special Disney Princess guest" whenever they appear. Small5th (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sofia age

Requesting cite, says 8 but I have also seen 7 and 9 claims, is it ever specified at any point in the show or from Disney? We could mention that it has changed throughout the series. Curse of Princess Ivy has Roland+wife celebrating anniversary, do they get married in ep 0? 64.228.90.87 (talk) 14:22, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I think Sofia is about 9years old Thokok1 (talk) 13:36, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Her original age in the first season was 7 but as the seasons go on she has gotten older, so in the last season she was 9 most likely but no ones really 100% on that. Wgs 717 (talk) 01:45, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Latina issue

I see no official sources saying Sofia is not Latina. Kanter avoids affirming the previous claim or denying it with her statement:

“Some of you may have seen the recent news stories on whether Sofia is or isn’t a ‘Latina princess.’ What’s important to know is that Sofia is a fairytale girl who lives in a fairytale world,”

The idea that calling her Latina was a mistake comes from an external source, Alex Nogales, the president and CEO of the National Hispanic Media Coalition on Facebook:

“[Kanter] shared that ‘Sofia the First’ is in fact not a Latina character and that the producer of the television program misspoke,”

This is not a reliable source, it is clearly Nogales interpreting whatever it is Kanter said to him. We have no evidence that Kanter actually blatently said Sofia was not Latina. She shared the mom's country is Spain-inspired and the dad's country is Scandinavia-inspired, so she's effectively half-Spanish half-Scandinavian. Nogales declaring this is "not Latina" should not be taken as truth, it is not NPOV, as mixed-heritage people often identify with that heritage (ie the Rock IDing as Samoan). Until Disney itself calls this a mistake we should not call it that. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 15:12, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Twinnage

A source establishing Roland II's biological son and daughter as twins is needed too. Noticed claim on TV Tropes which if true might help jog some memories or be something to look out for:

"Amber is older than James (by a few minutes) but Roland still constantly reminds James that he will be king someday and changes the subject when Amber demands it"

Another odd bit I'd be interested in knowing if it was true:

"(Cedric) ◦ JOSSED Wordof God said that he and King Rolland are on their late 30's"

The first bullet sounds like paraphrasing an episode, the second relating to some kind of producer statenent. Either would require a source before influencing the character section. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 15:54, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Balthazar surname

A mysterious "Disney spokeswoman" is quoted by Cindy Rodrgiuez on 22 October 2012 at http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/19/showbiz/disneys-first-latina-princess/

"Miranda met Sofia's father, Birk Balthazar, who hailed from the kingdom of Freezenberg, and together they moved to Enchancia, where Sofia was born"

Is there more info about who this un-named spokeswoman is and if she has the authority to establish canon? Is the first or last name of Sofia's biological father ever mentioned in the show or any other sources?

Is it ever indicated if Miranda and Birk were married? This would inform us regarding an increased likelihood of (by IRL culture) prior to the Roland II marriage that they had the names Miranda Balthazar and Sofia Balthazar (though not absolutely, we do not know if wives necessarily take on the husbands' surnames in Enchancia/Freezenberg/Galdiz, or if daughters' take on their fathers' surnames). Also a mention of Roland's surname if it is ever revealed would be useful, as well as whether Miranda/Sofia adopted it marrying into the Enchancian royal family. 64.228.90.87 (talk) 15:54, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Baileywick age

Watching "Baileywick's Day Off" on PVR, I noticed that this was the summary the TV guide affixed to the episode via Disney Junior in Canada:

Baileywick celebrates his 50th birthday on a day off from the King with his brother, Nigel, who gets help from Sofia.

Actually watching it though, I have not yet heard 50 mentioned, so I am wondering if this is supplementary information. Should we list his age as 50 based on this or do we need to verify it from a quote from the episode? Or is this like Birk Balthazar where even if the data is not mentioned in the show, we can still include it if writers describe the show using the data? 184.146.6.191 (talk) 14:15, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Character list page

There seem to be a lot of characters in the series, and that number growing with it still airing. Has it reached the point where we can split it off to its own pages like List of Sofia the First episodes has already done? 184.146.6.191 (talk) 14:26, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Removed categories

@Cyphoidbomb: regarding Special:Diff/695164911:

the "Fictional librarians" category. In the episode "The Secret Library" Tilly passes the role of 'storykeeper' on to Sofia, (Tilly had been doing it 30 years) isn't that justification? Only the storykeeper appears to be made aware of the library and it is their job to take care of the books there. Storykeeper also has her be a detective since she has to figure out what is wrong with a story and how to fix it. Also -explorers- since she travels to the land in the book to go fix the problem.
Fictional adoptees: she gets adopted by King Roland as her stepfather after Roland marries Sofia's mom. Does step-parenting not count as adoption?
Fictional characters who can duplicate themselves: she demonstrates the ability to do this in "Sofia the Second".
Extra-sensory relates to her ability to understand animals via using the amulet.
Racing driver when she pilots a go-cart in that episode where a fairy helps one of the village girls cheat.

Should notes be listed next to the category for these if they get restored? 184.146.6.191 (talk) 21:08, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's overcategorization, and notes won't appear in the category section. If any of these facts, like being an adoptee, is noteworthy, then they should be clearly presented in prose first, since, per WP:CAT there must be an obvious reason why categories are added to articles. No prose = no obvious reason. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't Modern Family.

I don't think the following is correct- The series stars Ariel Winter as Sofia, a young girl who becomes a princess. Ariel Winter is the VOICE for Sofia, and nothing more. This is a cartoon, not Modern Family. Sofia doesn't look like Ariel Winter, and was not based on Ariel Winter, so it's ridiculous to state that The series stars Ariel Winter as Sofia, a young girl who becomes a princess. I will change this tomorrow to read Ariel Winter provides the voice for Sofia. 76.123.200.158 (talk) 03:34, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Compiling DVDs

Could anyone compile a list of Sophia The First DVDs . The one Ive got is The Enchanted Feast . I can see from the episode list its a DVD of five episodes from season two . The DVD itself doesnt tell which season is which . Maybe the DVD Ive got is the one where the character of the Aunt is introduced . BatmobileFire (talk) 03:48, 19 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like we have a list of the DVDs on the page, though not as a table. 47.208.20.130 (talk) 22:29, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sofia the First/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Kaleeb18 (talk · contribs) 01:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be picking this one up. This might be surprising, but when you have little sisters you know a lot about shows like these lol. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:59, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

her widowed mother, Miranda, have – Correct me if I'm wrong but are the commas needed? (All I have done is looked over the lead, plot, and cast. So far looks great!)
- To my knowledge, yes. Since Sofia only has one widowed mother, it's a, uh, something clause... wait *googles* apposition. (MOS:COMMA kinda explains it.) Pamzeis (talk) 07:12, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Haha and oh yeah! I think if I remember, they are also called something like nonessential and essential clauses. Looks fine to me though! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 13:12, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

more to come...

I must say relating to grammar, spelling, and that sort of stuff the article looks great! The only thing that sort of pops out to me is this All four seasons of Sofia the First can be bought on iTunes and Google Play. They can be streamed on Netflix, while the first season is available on FuboTV. It just seems a little bit promotional to me.
- Thank you very much (especially considering prose isn't really my strong point)!
- Rewritten that bit
There are no sources for the cast and characters section
- Per MOS:TVPLOT, such information does not require (a) reference(s) as it can be sourced back to the original work
What makes MediaMikes and Epguides.com (seems like past discussions at WP:RSN say its not reliable) reliable?
- MediaMikes: from their "About" page, the site seems to have paid staff. Mike Gencarelli, the founder of the site and writer of the article in question, has written for Dark Horizons, which was nominated for a Webby Award (considered "The Oscars of the Internet")
- Removed epguides
There are no copyvios, looking at the Earwig detector
Spotchecks for refs 9, 12, 22, 25, 37, 44, and 53 are all good.

Hopefully, all done. Pamzeis (talk) 10:29, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 11:47, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 07:25, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Sofia the First was deemed "risky" but subsequently became the most-viewed program in its category? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that Disney created Sofia the First to bypass stereotypes of evil stepmothers and girls requiring princes to save them—and sell merchandise? Source: [2][3]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/C. J. Cregg

Improved to Good Article status by Pamzeis (talk). Self-nominated at 12:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC).[reply]

The article was recently promoted to GA and meets all DYK requirements. QPQ done. The hooks are sourced and interesting. Good to go. Corachow (talk) 21:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]