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Dear Sirs I manlorsen refer to the entry Societat_Civil_Catalana manlorsen tries to begin with an neutral version and based on this version build a correct version. Filiprino (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) tries to link Sociedad Civil Catalana to the far right. He brings only sources of very unknown newspapers of far left tendency to proof his assumptions. I will bring a clear proof that Sociedad Civil Catalana cannot be linked to the far right: How should this organisation receive a prize from the european parlament European Citizen's Prize to Societat Civil Catalana or the socialist foreign minister Joseph Borrell [[1]] participated in several events of the organisation Speech delivered by Josep Borrell on 29th October 2017, Barcelona or Francisco Frutos, the former General Secretary of the Communist Party of Spain participated also in these events [https://voicesfromspain.com/2017/10/30/francisco-frutos-speech-on-29th-october-2017-barcelona/ Francisco Frutos’ Speech on 29th October 2017, Barcelona. Please I would kindly ask to check all this facts and afterwards you will see that the article Societat_Civil_Catalana at the moment is very biased

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"transversal" is a noun not an adjective; "both" cannot be applied to a list of three items. Both words have been removed to improve the readibility of the article.

Dear Sirs I manlorsen refer to the entry Societat_Civil_Catalana. I start with the adjectiv transversal in english it is indeed an adjetiv and it is the adjectiv that uses Sociedad civil catalana in its webpage http://www.societatcivilcatalana.cat/ to define itself: http://www.societatcivilcatalana.cat/es/search/node/transversal Sociedad Civil Catalana defines itself as a transversal organisation

Reverts April 23th, 2023

@Mariano211 The work from Calero et al (not only Calero) was already in the article. The word flawed is sourced from the peer reviewed work from Mariano Ruiz Espejo which analyzes the work from Calero et al and found flaws in it. I reverted your last two edits on Societat Civil Catalana as it removed sourced content without reason and overstated the work from Calero et al, going against WP:UNDUE Wikipedia policy. This is already in the edit summary and in your talk page. But you decided to ignore me and revert again. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 18:17, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tomorrow I will try to take into consideration your remarks according to my last message as sent to you directly:

- 'flawed' can not be presented as a fact, but as the opinion of Mr Ruiz Espejo. No problem with that

- Professor Calero was not mentioned at all in the text of my initial edit.

In general terms I must say that I have exactly the same impression as you: you ignore my comments and cancel my edits. Unless you want to spend your time on Wikipedia, we must respect each other's opinions. See you tomorrow! Mariano211 (talk) 18:32, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have to remove your last edit going against Wikipedia:UNDUE.

- The work from Mariano Ruiz Espejo is not an opinion, is a fact. And the other people who reviewed his article accepted that work as such before publishing it. It is true that Calero et al made problematic assumptions on their methodology. This is not the only work of Calero et al that has been found to have flaws. You can find another one analysis here: [2]. The problem found is exactly the same. Calero et al make unverifiable assumptions and model the population at their will to fit their beliefs. In words of Ruiz Espejo, "Con esto no decimos que el libro no aporte nada. De hecho, una visión subjetiva para la solución de un problema aporta un punto de vista a tener en cuenta aunque sea limitado o tenga deficiencias.". And there you have why it is in a journal with zero citations (PISA). The PIRLS document has been kept self published, not peer reviewed. Going by Wikipedia:VALID and Wikipedia:BALANCE presenting both as having equal importance would go against Wikipedia policies. Maths are not debatable. Calero does those things to his analyses. Whether it's useful (for example, for a new research with verifiable data researching voids of that work) or not has to be decided by those who read them from self published articles or those who publish his work.

- Calero was not mentioned, it was referenced for a statement in your edit. So his work was already in the article. Your last addition is an overstatement, as already said in the beginning of this reply.

In general terms, on top of removing sourced content and your snarky replies, you even confuse me with other IP users in your mission against me. 95.17.250.138 (talk) 19:07, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding notability, Calero's h-index is 6 as per (1) and Ruiz Espejo's h-index is 12 as per (2). 95.17.250.138 (talk) 03:45, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sources not reflecting the text

"On 5 December 2017, SCC denounces in Brussels an alleged indoctrination in schools of Catalonia in Catalan nationalism." Sources not supporting the text: [3], [4]. The first one is a collection of opinions of anti-independentist people. The second one is an opinion article. Neither one add information to the activity of SCC on the 5th of December. So I'm removing them. 95.17.254.154 (talk) 15:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]