Talk:Slumach

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OR and additional citations tag

The articles has tags that it may contain original research, and that it needs additional citations. Could the person who added these tags indicate either here or within the article which statements are original research or need citations? Thanks. Plazak (talk) 15:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate any help improving the contents of this item but I wish that recommendations for improvement be more specific. It should be understood that records about the lives of First Nations people, including Slumach, are extremely rare, and that secondary sources relating to Slumach are mostly fairytales starting from contemporary newspapers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred Braches (talk • contribs) 02:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The article has numerous inline citations, so I removed the inline citations tag. If anyone considers a need for additional citations for specific statements, please place ^{[citation needed]} tags within the text, as appropriate. As for the remaining tags, if those are still approppriate, please discuss why here on the talk page, otherwise they will be removed. Anyone can tag an article, but that editor should be ready to provide reasons on the talk page. Thanks. Plazak (talk) 13:35, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't originally place the tags, but I cleaned them up using the "multiple issues" template. Right now, I would say the article is still not completely Wikified. And the citations are not full citations (is there a template for that?). Writers names are missing, and page numbers would be nice for the old newspapers, if known. If any sources are available online, they should be linked, preferably using the Cite web or related templates. I believe that the original taggers suspected some sort of hoax or spam due to all the references being to archives on the article creator's website. However, I personally have no issue with correctly linking to copies of any sources which were published before 1923. The main objection to user-hosted copies of articles is that they violate copyright, but sources published before 1923 are in the public domain. There is no reason not to link them. Yworo (talk) 15:33, 5 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see the need to link each reference to the pdf file with the corresponding transcript on the <slumach.ca> Web site. The site mentioned as an External Link contains all referenced texts and I placed a note there to clarify that. With one or two exceptions (not directly linked and access for subscribers only) the original sources of the references are not on the Web. Microfilm and some cutting collections were the sources of the around 150 transcripts of articles available on the <slumach.ca>. Since page numbers were missing on most cuttings they were not included in any of the transcripts. The newspaper articles are mostly without an author’s name but I'll add the authors’ names as well as the titles/subtitles of the articles. If, after doing that the article is still not completely Wikified,” please help me by specifically showing where the “Slumach” and the “Pitt Lake’s Lost Gold Mine” articles lack in meeting Wikimedia standards. I'd really like to see those tags removed.Fred Braches (talk) 15:27, 6 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It would make it much easier for editors to verify the content. No, it's not necessary, but it would be an improvement to the article. Yworo (talk) 16:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be glad to do that but I can't find any information how to link an in-line citations to a Web page if that's possible. I found something related: "Embedded links to external websites should not be used as a form of inline citation, because they are highly susceptible to link rot."Fred Braches (talk) 22:14, 8 December 2011 (UTC) The sources may be obscure but the "sumach" site offers all citations.Fred Braches (talk) 16:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at WP:CITE. I recommend using the {{Cite}} templates, such as {{Cite book}}, {{Cite journal}}, {{Cite news}} and {{Cite web}}. They all take a "url=" parameter and have the advantage that they will consistently format the citations correctly. Yworo (talk) 16:14, 10 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am hesitant to go ahead linking the individual in-line newspaper citations to Web pages mainly because I don't think it is a Wikipedia standard requirement. Please do show me articles where it is done. In-line citations are now in place and the article is verifiable. What else is needed? Please be specific so I can work on that. Otherwise remove all those tags.Fred Braches (talk)

Removed tags for cleaning up (I did that), Wikify (same thing) and make verifiable (ditto). If anyone places (replaces) tags be so kind and to explain what's needed. Fred Braches (talk) 17:00, 31 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]