Talk:Slavery in Ethiopia

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The coming of Mengistu Hailemariam to power was not welcomed by the Amhara, oftent the stigma Baria was attached to him. But the saying that Shnanquella hailed his coming to the power is an exagguration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.156.67.36 (talk) 11:55, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy and POV

This article is full of weasel words and reads like a propaganda page. There are obvious inaccuracies - for example, the introduction claims that Ethiopians had "Bantu slaves". Ancient and modern Ethiopia does not abut Bantu communities anywhere, and is separated from them by a large desert. It is inconceivable that they would have had Bantu slaves - where did they get them from? The sources quoted in the article do not support this assertion at all (some of the sources quoted appear to be fake footnotes, because none of the content in the books supports what the article claims). The repeated assertion of Ethiopia as "an afro-asiatic dominated society" is pointless, because Afro-Asiatic refers to a group of languages rather than a people. The article is about slavery in Ethiopia, not about the languages of Ethiopia, for which there is a separate page. The feeling one gets is that an editor is using this page to advance a point of view that has something to do with afro-asiatic languages - that agenda becomes clear as one reads the article. Finally, the article persists in the usage of outdated and meaningless racial terms like "negroid" to distinguish between the various peoples of Ethiopia and the region. There obviously is a barely-disguised racism running behind those claims, and this makes the article more of a propaganda piece than the informative article it is supposed to be. It needs editing to make it more informative and less POV-leaning.

2407:7000:9000:3288:4C57:CC3D:D5F0:C4E2 (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dubious

I flagged this sentence: The Abyssinians (Habesha highlanders) were also noted as having actively hunted the Shanqella during the 19th century. My principal concern is the poor quality of the source, an 1852 work called The Book of the World. This claim needs to be supported by a better source or removed. -- ℜob C. alias ALAROB 21:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There was no polity called Oromia prior 1990s

Oromia was created by carving out a large portion of Ethiopian territory inhabited by various ethnic groups in 199os by the victories Oromo nationalis group called and OLF and Tigrean nationalist group called TPLF. Most of the inhabitants of this region are not Oromos but forcefully assimilated by an equally harsh practice called Mogassa by the conquering Aba Gedas in previous centuries. Therefore the reference to Oromia should be removed.

Article Self-contradicts

The claim is made early in the article that only "Barya" were enslaved, and that "Oromos" were persecuted but not enslaved. Later, commentary is made on Oromo slavery. In tandem with the comment on agendas in the article, I can't help but feel this comment on "Barya" slavery but not "Oromo" slavery is a continuation of racial agenda.

The first sentence

The first sentences of run on sentence, with no grammatical or logical connection between the middle, beginning, and end. RemusBleys (talk) 15:53, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Italians

@Petra0922 the claim that Italians were sold as slaves in ethiopia is unsourced and not true. The Italian POWs were all sent back to their country within a year or so. There is some evidence that Italian prisoners went through forced labour^[1] however they were never considered "barya" the source that was cited does not mention this at all محرر البوق (talk) 23:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC) محرر البوق (talk) 23:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@محرر البوق, Do you have access to the 1975 Newsweek magazine? My point is, were you be able to verify the information from the source? I get the part that Italians came with the intention to colonize and the photo may have been added to show war prisoners- but still we need to verify the cited source in the old version of the article. Petra0922 (talk) 15:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Petra0922 All Newsweek magazines are available on archive.org [1] the source makes no mention of Italian being enslaved by Ethiopians, I tried to look up mentions of "Ethiopia" or "slaves" under all newsweek articles from 1975, there is no mention of Italian prisoners being enslaved. (I can't send a link because it is too messy). Plus, its generally agreed that by 1897 all Italian prisoners were extradited back to their country, although in the source I provided earlier it does mention that Menelik took a few hundred Italian prisoners with him back to Addis Ababa where they participated in construction of numerous buildings, however this isn't slavery and exploiting POWs for their labour was very common throughout history. محرر البوق (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I will take a look as well. I guess my question is weather the prisoners photo was misrepreseneted as slaves.Petra0922 (talk) 19:24, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@محرر البوق. This [2] version is sourced. Photo can be found there as well but not in the context of slavery. The source describe the two men as "war prisoners." Since this article is about slavery, i also dont see the point of keeping prisoners information and the photo in there. Also, it seems adding some quotations in the citation from Pankhurst would be important to reference the new "Aksum" sub-section. Petra0922 (talk) 20:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I alright I will make some changes later, including adding information about Menelik II's and Lij Iyasu's role in slavery. محرر البوق (talk) 18:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Pankhurst, Richard (1982). History Of Ethiopian Towns. p. 211. ISBN 9783515032049.

Reprisals of Gelawdewos

I've noticed a reference issue concerning the claim about Adalite slaves in Richard Pankhurst’s book An Introduction to the Economic History of Ethiopia, from Early Times to 1800. The citation points to page 386, but upon reviewing this page, it does not mention Adalite slaves at all. This seems to be a case of WP: OR, where the information added does not directly correspond to the cited source.[3] Replayerr (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @Replayerr. Thanks for removing that part. But you also removed the text above and it was not wrong, those events are also cited in Richard's book, exactly in page 224. I re-added it. Javext (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gelawdewos campaign

Hello @Somaliaficionado, Pedro Paez is a primary source and per WP:AGEMATTERS cannot be used to cite or debunk content. Also, edit warring is against wikipedia policy. Have a great day and thanks. Javext (talk) 00:15, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Pankhurst, Richard (1982). History Of Ethiopian Towns. p. 211. ISBN 9783515032049.

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