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"Peter Fenton (songwriter)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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December 2020: Peter Fenton (guitarist) listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peter Fenton (guitarist)

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The main reason the band is influential

...Is that Siouxsie Sioux was the founder and leader. If we don't say that in the first paragraph,[1] then we lead the reader to believe that the band was influential only because of its guitar dudes, first McKay and then McGeoch.

A certain amount of redundancy is required between this band article and Siouxsie's biography. It's essential to define this band as her creation, her vision, with her influence at the top. Binksternet (talk) 04:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

The Banshees as a group did no wear heavy menacing makeup and dark clothing. Siouxsie the individual did. It was a band, a collective, not a singer and her backing band. She was the only one to fit this description and the only member to have any influence on gothic fashion. In fact, other members were known for wearing bright colors (Budgie's mellow blonde hair and yellow shirts were conspicious, as were Steven Severin's colorful shirts and John McGeoch's decisive anti-fashion garb). And this band was not hers. She co-founded it with Steven Severin. Carliertwo (talk) 05:01, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
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Carliertwo (talk) 05:15, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Your argument about Siouxsie's personal style is no reason to remove Siouxsie's musical influence from the first paragraph. She put her stamp on the band, and a brief sentence about her must come first in this article. It's essential.
Your assertion that the band was a collective has no basis. Siouxsie and Severin were the founding members. Siouxsie hired and fired the other musicians, unless they quit on their own. She was the boss. A ton of sources describe her as the band's frontwoman, leader. Binksternet (talk) 06:09, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Siouxsie's contributions were certainly not more important than Severin's. Severin wrote the lyrics for two of their most famous singles, "Spellbound" and "Christine". He also wrote lyrics for a lot of the other tracks. Their most successful album in the UK, Kaleidoscope, was composed by Siouxsie and Severin.
Guitarist John McGeoch was fired by Severin in 1982. From Siouxsie & The Banshees The Authorised Biography by Mark Paytress 2003). Severin pages 126-127: "it was obvious that he was falling apart... I said, this is not good, I put in a call to Robert that night".
Severin page 163: "With McGeoch, it wasn't really a case of sacking him, we didn't invite him back. With John Carruthers, though, it was definitely giving him the boot... I tried to be as diplomatic as I could"
Severin page 200: "Jon Klein had dug his heels and refused to compromise on anything ... We sacked him". Carliertwo (talk) 23:32, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
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