Talk:Simone Clarke

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Total POV here: ' Richard Barnbrook, the BNP councillor for Barking constituency, with a few of his cohorts.'

Category

The general British National Party category is for the party itself and subcategories as well as one or two other things that can't be subcategorised. Putting people in it is messy. The BNP politicians category is for politicians who are, or were, members of the British National Party in the United Kingdom. The entry Politician mentions that it includes A person who is active in party politics, which as a member of the BNP she is. She also is or was a member of the BNP covering that angle as well. Therefore she should be removed from the general category and resotred to the specific one. Keresaspa 17:14, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no way to stretch normal English to make "being a member of a political party" equal to "being a policitian in a political party". This being Wikipedia, I will assume good faith and address this as a bona fide point about categorisation. If there is a genuine objection to including Simone Clarke in the general BNP category there are two obvious solutions. One is to create a new category Category:Members of the British National Party - although it's difficult to see how many other people there would be to add to it. The second is to create Category:People associated with the BNP, into which Simone Clarke can go, and of which Category:British National Party politicians can then be a sub-category. But it is incorrect to categorise SC as a BNP politician. HeartofaDog 17:28, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I would support the second option, to create a Category:People associated with the BNP, and have Category:British National Party politicians as a sub category. Clarke shouldn't be in the category she is at the moment whatever happens. Adambro 17:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I have boldly gone ahead and made the change - the previous cat was indeed simply wrong. HeartofaDog 18:41, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

General notability

Simone clarke does not seam to be the most notable perosn. The page was created only after the incident involvong the BNP was revealed. If she was truly a notable person then why didn't she have a page befroe the BNP article was released?--Lucy-marie 20:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe because there are not enough ballet lovers editing Wikipedia. She is principal dancer with a major world-renowned ballet company. I'd say that's notable. Not every notable person has an article in Wikipedia; it needs editors to spot the gaps and fill them and that has happened in this case, no doubt brought to an editor's attention by the BNP controversy. Emeraude 17:51, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Ok, but it just seamed to me to be a knee-jerk reaction to the BNP cotroversy, to create a page for her.--Lucy-marie 18:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

As I mentioned on the page Talk:British National Party, many pages are created as a result of current events. This doesn't effect the status of the article in any way. There will be thousands of people notable enough to have an article who don't... yet. Adambro 08:59, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Bio

I'd fixed few dates based on her own CV that could be found at [1] (a .doc file, link on the bottom of the page). The CV has a photo of her but I am unsure how much Wikipedia-fähig it would be these days to add it. Pavel Vozenilek 15:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Category (again)

I have removed Clarke from the British fascists category. On the one hand the fascism or otherwise of the BNP is very much a disputed point so her inclusion in the category on that basis is too questionable. On the other hand the category as it stands includes only pre-war figures whose fascism was self-declared, a category that Clarke in no way fits. As such, she doesn't belong in the category. Keresaspa 14:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Sure, and David Duke has "disputed" that the Ku Klux Klan is a racist organization. The facts, however, speak for themselves. The BNP may deny being fascist, but they openly advocate fascist policies. 66.197.235.71 (talk) 17:16, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

So what do you suggest? Yes, the BNP is fascist (and was labelled as such in the BNP article only after months of discussion). However, Keresaspa is correct when he says that the Category:British fascists only includes pre-war fascists. Any attempt to include her and others there or in related categories, such as Category:British Fascist movements and Category:Fascism in the United Kingdom will almost ceratinaly result in a massive edit war. The Category:British neo-Nazis is not appropriate. Emeraude (talk) 19:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

ENO

The article says she belongs to the "English National Ballet (ENO)." Can someone clarify? Is the English National Opera (ENO) the same thing as the English National Ballet, or is one of them a part of the other? Thanks. 86.134.10.71 (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Well spotted. That's been there since 12 Jan 2007. Now removed. Emeraude (talk) 11:44, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

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