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"on how to live life in Korea"

"...about life in Korea" would be more appropriate. I don't want EYK to tell me how to live my life in Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 (talk) 16:35, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedy deleted because... --I've found a newspaper source in English & I'll be adding it. May also be non-English coverage, still looking Cloveapple (talk) 16:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

translation help for non-English source

Checking Google news gave me the non-English result "[이슈인채널] 한국말 잘 하는 법 - 대한민국 IT포털의 중심!...‎" at [1]. Can somebody please check it out? It's probably an additional reliable source Cloveapple (talk) 17:36, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Four Korean news sources need translating to English (or at least need to be read by somebody who reads Korean) so they can be used as references.

The four news stories are: [2], [3], [4], [5] Cloveapple (talk) 04:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Use of "popular" and "famous"

I understand that there is disagreement about whether to include "popular" or "famous" and I'm open to discussion. I'm not sure what is meant by the edit summary comment: "Putting scare-quotes around things doesn't improve anything, it's still a POV peacock phrase whether in the cite or not."[6] What are scare quotes? . Could you please elaborate? I was trying to show that both terms reflected the source's use. I had read WP:PEACOCK previously and thought it was discussing unatributed terms. (For example Dylan's being a "master poet" is ok when attributed.) Is there some other wording that should go in the lead? People recognizing them on the street might be a more concrete way to express the famous part, but it seemed to me that there ought to be a less clumsy way to state the notability in the opening sentence. Cloveapple (talk) 23:47, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies I didn't make myself clearer. Peacock words are terms that talk up the article subject without conveying anything factual, which is particularly important in the lead. What definitions are we using for "popular" or "famous"? Without any context they're pretty meaningless. They can mean anything between "preferred by a dozen people", to "celebrated throughout the world". Yes, the cited source describes them thus, but this is essentially just opinion, and still doesn't really tell the reader anything they can use to determine just how notable this blog is. This is why hard facts like their number of subscribers are much more suitable.

If you really think these descriptions are important, then it would be better to introduce them later in the article, and attribute them to the source. Personally I'd say that their subscriber count and resulting media attention is a much better guide for the reader to make up their own mind.

Using scare quotes is putting quotes around words in order to distance the article from them. It has the effect of casting doubt on what is said, even if that wasn't the intention. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 20:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think I get it now. I see now that your edits made sense. I've put all the hard numbers in that I can source and I figure the ever growing list of references speaks to the media attention. Unfortunately I'm still learning the writing style of Wikipedia so sometimes my sources are better than the article content I write. Thanks for being part of my learning curve. :) ~~

Numbers need to be backed by sources

This anonymous edit [7] increased two numbers but did not give a reference. Please do not change statistics in the article unless you provide a reliable source that backs up those statistics. Cloveapple (talk) 04:12, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful Treasure Find

Actually This Google search shows that the IP is correct: it is "Wonderful Treasure Find", and the cited source probably has it wrong. But which, if any, of the Google results count as reliable sources? -- John of Reading (talk) 12:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I looked through the sources already used and one says "Weekly" and one "Wonderful" so I'll just switch the source for it. Sorry, I should have noticed the other source disagreed. (Those are the only 2 sources in the ref list that comment on that name.)

What to do for the other segment title added in with no sources? (None of the references lists "Too Long; Didn't Read (TL;DR)" unless one of the Korean language ones does.) As far as I know those aren't yet covered in a reliable English source. I had left a message over at WikiProject Television's talk page about how they referenced episode summaries and plot titles, since I figured the same thing would apply to a continuing web video series. But they just said to use TV Guide which doesn't help here. Can the actual site be used as a reference for those? (I know it's not preferrable.) I believe that TV plot synopsis is done with the actual episode as the reference. Cloveapple (talk) 15:07, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For the other title, take your pick from another google search. I guess a reference to the actual site will do until something better turns up. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

German translation

I have translated the English version of the page to German. Could someone please add the German Version? The footnotes correspond to the same numbers on your English wikipedia page. I translated the headings for the last two parts, but since they're only references and a link to their website I figured I don't need to write those out.

Here goes:

Eatyourkimchi ist eine Webseite, auf der das kanadische Ehepaar, Simon und Martina Stawski, durch ihre Videos dem Publikum Tipps über das Leben in Südkorea vermitteln[1]. Der YouTube Channel, auf dem die Videos erscheinen, ist der 18. meistbesuchte in Südkorea[2] und ihre Videos zählen inzwischen mehr als sieben millionen Aufrufe.

Kimchi ist eine traditionelle koreanische Speise, die aus fermentiertem Weißkohl hergestellt wird[3].

1. Videotipps für das alltägliche Leben

2. Hintergrund

3. Publikum und Empfang

4. Quellen

5. Weblinks

Videotipps für das alltägliche Leben

Simon und Martinas Videos sind dazu da, um dem Publikum (aus vorwiegend fremden Ländern) einen Einblick in das zu verschaffen, den es durch Reiseführer und Behörden sonst nicht bekäme. Eatyourkimchi ermöglicht “einen einheimischen Einblick, was koreanische Kultur angeht, den man im durchschnittlichen Reiseführer nicht findet,” sagt Elysabeth Hahm von der Yonhap News[4]. Die Videos sind humorvoll gestaltet[1] und ziehen ein Publikum an, was lieber “zuschaut,” als zu lesen[5]. Der Videoblog enthält einige sich wiederholende Themen, so wie die koreanische Sprache, koreanisches Essen und koreanische Musik. Einzelne Videos zeigen, wie eine koreanische Waschmaschine funktioniert[5], wie man Essen bestellt, Tischklingeln in koreanischen Restaurants[6], und wie man Rechnungen begleicht[4]. Die Serie zeigt z.B. Zubereitungshilfen für Bulgogi, Samgyeopsal, Galbi, uvm[6]. Die Seite enthält auch einige wöchentliche Serien, so wie Kpop Music Mondays[7] (eng. Kpop Musik Montage), Wonderful Treasure Find--kurz WTF[2]--(eng. Entdeckung eines wunderbaren Schatzes), und Too Long; Didn’t Read—kurz TL;DR—(eng. Zu lang; hab ich nicht gelesen).

Hintergrund

Die Stawskis kommen ursprünglich aus Kanada und sind 2008 nach Südkorea gezogen. Als sie am 31. Mai 2008 ankamen, hatte es zwischen Nord- und Südkorea einige besorgniserregenden Ungereimtheiten gegeben und das Paar began schon am Flughafen mit ihrem ersten Video, um den Eltern zu versichern, dass es ihnen gut ging. Schnell wuchs der Blog aber zu einem “Alles-über-Korea-Channel” heran[6]. Eat Your Kimchi ist interessant nicht nur wegen seiner eigenen Geschichte. Es ist auch teil größerer Trends in Südkorea. Vor dem Jahr 2002 gab es keine Blogs in Korea, aber seit dem steigt die Zahl der Blogger jedes Jahr und dasselbe gilt auch für ausländische Blogger in Südkorea[8]. Im Jahre 2008 kam YouTube auf den koreanischen Markt und veränderte das Leben der koreanischen Bürger, so auch das der Stawskis[6]. Sogar 2011 ist das Format ihrer Videoblogs noch besonders. „Kaum jemand macht Videos speziell über Korea.“, sagt Martina Stawski[5].

Publikum und Empfang

Laut der Zeitung Korean Herald, hat es Eatyourkimchi auf die Liste der 21 “nützlichsten Webseiten” geschafft[10] und wurde auf Hiexpat.com zum besten Blog Übersiedler-Blog in Korea gewählt.[11][12] Die zwei Blogger sind inzwischen in einigen koreanischen Fernsehshows aufgetreten, darunter Hear to Heart,[13] Quilt Your Korean Map [14], Star King[15] und Running Man. Manchmal werden sie von Menschen auf der Straße wiedererkannt und fotografiert[6]. Martina Stawski berichtet, dass Eatyourkimchi weltweit bekannt ist, aber dass das Publikum sich auf Australien, die U.S.A., Kanada, und Südkorea konzentriert.[8] Die Videos von Eatyourkimchi werden online durch iTunes, Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr und YouTube großräumig verteilt[1]. 2011 hat der Channel der Beiden mehr als 33.000 Abonnenten und die Videos genießen um die 7.5 Millionen Aufrufe[6]. Ihre Webseite, welche auch Videos enthält, zählt monatlich mehr als 750.000 Hits[2] von mehr als 100.000 Usern[5].

That's great that you translated it. I don't know anything about how the German Wikipedia works, but they have a help page where volunteers answer questions about how to edit the German Wikipedia. Someone there should be able to show you how they handle translated articles. Hope that helps. (I also left a reply on your personal talk page.) Cloveapple (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Controversies

These two have come under fire for racism/sexism in their videos, and also for "extorting money" from their younger fans - I believe the situation was that they got far more money than they needed, and continued to ask for more. Would it be possible to add some mention of this to the article? I can't currently find any solid resources, but here are a few sites with a generic overview: http://feminoonas.tumblr.com/post/17200836926/lycheequeso-click-or-else-you-wont-be-able-to#notes http://feminoonas.tumblr.com/post/17197218481/whats-your-opinion-on-eatyourkimchi-simon-martina-i#notes http://houseofhallyu.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/the-equivocal-ethics-of-eat-your-kimchi/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.66.192.35 (talk) 14:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In all honesty, it sounds like a bunch of oversensitive fangirls bringing up nonsense to accuse them of racism/sexism just because one of their idols got criticized in their videos. This doesn't deserve a mention at all, it's not relevant. Tumblr is not a reliable source for anything either.--Faitu (talk) 15:55, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 20 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 13:20, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Simon and Martina → Eatyourkimchi – Article was originally titled "Eatyourkimchi" and there was plenty of coverage using that. They rebranded as Simon and Martina (with appropriate coverage as well) since 2016, but they have returned to using "Eatyourkimchi" in 2020. lullabying (talk) 00:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC) lullabying (talk) 00:54, 20 May 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 13:04, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). ASUKITE 14:41, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The following was copied from WP:RM/TR:

lots of moving around, probably safest to do an RM Dr. Vogel (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article is mostly about Eatyourkimchi with only a few lines about other "ventures". — AjaxSmack 01:54, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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