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The link to Eleven records in the discography goes to a disamiguation page which does not contain a link to the record company. Just thought someone should know this.

Yon

It seems like this is made up since Yon is only one name so somebody should provide a source of this Yon cuz Im taking it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.80.214 (talk) 06:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Innocent Criminals or DRaS?

I actually thought Death Rides A Sandwich was vandalism, but after the repeated changings, I googled it and actually it brought me to some other sites which claim Silverchair were DRaS before. I then googled Innocent Criminals and some sites also claim it is Silverchair's original name. I've switched it to Innocent Criminals for the moment, but I don't think DRaS is vandalism either. --Paec_Djinn

Vandalism

Some idiot keeps changing 'Innocent Criminals' to 'Death Rides a Sandwich' and I am getting really sick of reverting it. I propose that we lock the article. --Mdhowe 04:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure it's not true? A quick search on google shows a number of other articles which claim Silverchair was Death Rides a Sandwich and then later Innocent Criminals. 58.110.140.124 00:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I am sure. If you look at those articles that claim that, you'll notice that are are all taken directly from wikipedia. --Mdhowe 11:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Headings

Any chance anyone wants to put headings for the content which goes on forever before headings are used at the bottom of the page? The article is way too long to not have headings! If no silverchair experts do it then I will cause it looks shit --Dankru 11:17, 19 October 2005 (UTC)dankru


Origin of the name

are they named after the C S Lewis book?

You've got it all wrong, silverchair was supposed to be sliver, but a mistake on Ben's behalf made it silverchair. With no capital S. They said it looked stupid with a captial. So, silverchair, was really just a misunderstanding that stuck.
It would be a large coincidence if the band's name was not named after C.S. Lewis's 6th book in the Chronicles of Narnia series titled 'The Silver Chair', as one of the main characters in the book is a amphibion-man often referred to as 'Froggy'
To put things straight, all rumors and beliefs that silverchair came up with their name by accident or by requesting songs on the radio are false. Before silverchair got their name, they were called "The Innocent Criminals." They submitted their song "Tomorrow", which at the time was over 9 min long, on tape cassette to a local radio station (Triple J). The radio station was holding a contest for local talent, and the winner would receive a recording contract. After they got signed with Sony Epic Records, they were presented with a list of potential band names. They looked over the list and ended up choosing 'silverchair' because it sounded the coolest. This information was provided by a silverchair newsletter that the band itself released. They said they were sorry for telling lies about how they came up with their band name for all these years. It just seemed better at the time to make something up when they were constantly being asked over and over how they came up with their bands name.

The story i heard, at the time, was that the name is a composite of two songs: Sliver, by Nirvana, and Berlin Chair, by You Am I. They were going to ring JJJ and request "Sliverchair", but one of them wrote it down on a piece of paper wrong, and it became "Silverchair". Unsure of the validity of this, and whether it belongs in the article or not, but this story was heard directly from the band.

Actually that was just a story they made up, a pretty unconvincing one at that. I'm pretty sure it was from the book. --Mdhowe
It's from the C.S Lewis book. Daniel was going through one of the managers book shelves (Kevin Shirley or John Watson) and found the book - obviously this story isn't very cool but that's how it apparently happened.
In this interview, Chris says: "We had the opportunity to change our name years and years ago before the Tomorrow EP came out, and we had our own list of band names that we liked and we picked Silverchair, we thought it sounded the best." --Mdhowe 09:52, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[1]This article DEFINITIVELY puts to rest the mystery, and confirms that they got their name from the CS Lewis book, 'The Silver Chair.' Period.

Capitalisation

"Silverchair" or "silverchair"??

I have seen it twice written as "silverchair". --Brianjd

I've also seen it written as silverchair, specifically in a newspaper piece that complained about groups that don't capitalise the first letters of their name. . . can we get something official? --Slac speak up! 23:50, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
It used to be uncapitalised because they thought they weren't important enough, but since Diorama is had been capitalised. --Mdhowe
It has actually been capitalized since "Neon Ballroom" when they went from all lowercase to all uppercase letters, signaling both the bands new direction and musical maturation. Though in the press it is written as Silverchair. Concerning the bands name, Chris Joannou also stated in an interview once that the 2 songs they were requesting on the radio were "Berlin Chair" by You Am I and "Silverfuck" by The Smashing Pumpkins. This leads me to believe the whole story about the radio request thing is made up. We'll probably never really know the answer to where the name came from.

Short Elvis

It seems that no one has brought up Short Elvis, which came before The Innocent Criminals. They played a show with that name not long ago (March 16th) under that name. --Anamana 05:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I have written a very small short elvis entry into the silverchair wiki page but someone keeps deleting it, whoever it is obviously does not know the history of the band.


dude, short elvis lasted for 1 show. that is all. buy a copy of Tomorrow never ends: a silverchair story. its a great biography and tends to stick to the facts. silverchair went through many, many name changes but ive never heard of death rides a sandwich. 124.184.70.211 09:10, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Both Death Rides a Sandwich and Short Elvis are names used by the band in the past. I believe they never used Short Elvis for any performances, though, while Death was used about 3 or 4 times in shows (I'm quite certain it's more than one show). Innocent Criminals was pretty much everything before they got their record deal, where they decided to change to "silverchair". --lincalinca 09:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Please provide a source for this information. --Mdhowe 01:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

This article could use pictures - like band pictures, album cover pictures, etc.

Critic's Darlings?

The fact that there is a section in this article called "Critic's Darlings" but not a single mention about how every single one of their albums have been universally panned as mediocre kiddie grunge by non-Australian critics, is baffling to me. I mean, I'm not losing sleep over it, but it seems like this fawning article should be tempered with some truth.

Agreed. I find it especially patronizing that Neon Ballroom is referred to as a "critically lauded breakthrough album." I remember when the album came out and I can tell you that this isn't accurate by any stretch; you can even look on allmusic right now and see that it has a lower rating than their previous two albums which were certainly not "critically lauded." The only reason I can think of for why this hasn't been fixed is that no one cares about the article outside of the fans, but this is an encyclopedia and as such shouldn't misrepresent information this way. --67.190.101.254 22:57, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree that the article should be NPOV but as you say it is mainly written by fans, if it was written by you two it would just say that they're shit and that's all anyone needs to know. Unless you want to work on a truly neutral article then you're wasting your time. --Mdhowe 05:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Whoa... slow down there. The article is not going to attract any non-fan's attention if it's just going to praise silverchair over the top. In the end it will benefit everyone included if wikipedia stays wikipedia.Zuracech lordum 15:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

While a whole section on 'Critic's Darlings' is hardly appropriate, the band have had the most nominations and wins in the history of the Aria Awards - many of whom's voters are critics. Young Modern, Diorama, and Neon Ballroom received fantastic reviews, partcularly in Australia. Perhaps some further research into a variety of reviews from places other than America will prove this?

Reposted

Someone thought it would be humorous to erase the article. I brought it back. --La Pizza11 23:31, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I didn't feel like making a new category. Anyways, I didn't make that last vandalism. I don't know whats up. I bet I didn't log out when I was using a school computer. That's pretty crazy. --La Pizza11 00:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it looks like a whole lot more like a Wordart creation than an official logo. I'll be reverting any edits which place the "logo" in the article. La Pizza11 17:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Most definately. Someone seriously needs to fix that logo and the band picture. Gah! --68.119.120.218 23:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone confirm this?

Whether or not they had an EP out in 1994 called 'Tomorrow'. it has the following tracks (by the way this is off a p2p program the ep that is): 01 Tomorrow 02 Acid Rain 03 Blind 04 Stoned --220.253.48.244 04:51, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes they did, It was their first release. MusicBrainz has a pretty comprehensive Silverchair entry. --Mdhowe 10:29, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. --220.253.48.244 10:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

POV issues

"battling personal demons" - That's hardly qualifiable wikipedic language. No other band bios have such personal terms.
"covers the whole musical spectrum – as its colourful cover suggest" - That may be true but it's an overstatement.
"capped a roller coaster year for the band – a year which in many ways traced the journey of "Diorama" itself – from bleak times into a much happier new dawn" - A happier new dawn?? Seriously? Are we writing a fairytale here?
"Silverchair embarked on a magical world wide tour, full of theatrics and dizzying lights" - I think "Silverchair embarked on a worldwide tour in the year 200x" is enough.

I think there is a serious point of view issue here. The entire bio is praising and frollicking about Silverchair. I think it should be a straight down to Earth biography with no ridiculous nonsense included. It's part of wikiAustralia so I won't do anything. There may be moderators involved that may have already approved but I think the article needs to be edited. Don't get me wrong, the content's pretty good but needs brushing up to make it encyclopaedic. Zuracech lordum 14:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more. Rafaelcapanema 01:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Im pretty sure a hell of alot of this is actually lifted straight from the unofficial band biography, the very descriptive parts anyway (magical, dizzying lights etc). That is not an encycolpaedia and suitably contains colourful language. But most of this article (before the recent happenings) does really need to be fixed up.

Name

Does anyone know where they got the name Silverchair from? Tkma 14:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Try the section above titled Origin of the name --Mdhowe 14:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality

Is this a fan page or an encyclopedia page? - Schnob Reider 15:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Redken: Seeing as all the facts stated are true and the refrences to their dismissal by international critics is stated I would say it is an encyclopedia page...

Sign your posts. The questionable status of this article isn't the facts contained therein, it is how they have been worded. Reading through it, one finds heavy-handed praise given to the band (favoritism is fine but it doesn't belong here) and individual members in addition to lines that detail awe and amazement, almost as if someone were treating this as a way to recount their personal memories to other individuals (taking liberty for some exaggeration but just the same, an ex. "I saw them in concert, sweat pouring, lights flashing, sounds extending across the fabric of time itself..."). --75.2.46.60 00:23, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

^I totally agree with your statements. It's very un-encyclopedic, and as such I fully intend on doing a heavy edit when I have the time.

For now I've removed this line: "{Lead singer Daniel Johns has overcome illness, depression and anorexia nervosa} to contribute greatly to the band's attempt to continually better past achievements."

And replaced with: "{Lead singer Daniel Johns has overcome illness, depression and anorexia nervosa} within his lifetime." Shaybear♥

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Translation

The grammar on certain parts of this page stinks. I don't know that much about the inner workings of Wikipedia, but it looks like the article was written in Portuguese and translated electronically.

  • Example: In January of the 2003 Silverchair sent its second simple one: Pure Massacre .
  • Should be: In January 2003, silverchair released Pure Massacre, their second #1 (second US #1 single, I assume?)

I'll work on it when I have time. I'm glad to see a new album, but I'm not a megafan, so somebody might need to watch behind me for factual errors. -- A. 00:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Silverchair awards

I have created a new list for Silverchair's awards and nominations since I was interested about their achievements after the 2007 ARIA Awards event. There's a little problem: the ARIA website displays 20 awards won by the band, while news sources say 19 awards (like this one). Why is this so?

While I'm still here, are there any other awards the band has won/nominated that isn't yet in the list? Gladly appreciate any help, thanks. RaNdOm26 16:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Pick of Destiny?

Before I begin, this is the first time I have attempted to post anything on wikipedia so please excuse any errors I make in formatting, etc.

The following claim in the Trivia section of this article seems a little absurd:

According to Kyle Gass of Tenacious D, Silverchair are the owners of the fictional Pick of Destiny.


I haven't been able to find any quotes from Tenacious D that verify this. The source cited for this statement is out of date (this should be amended to www.chairpage.com/news if it is to stay) but even a look around that source doesn't yield anything. I'm hesitant to make any changes to the article without a thorough understanding of the wikipedia system but perhaps someone else could look into this and erase/source this is necessary? The-mystress (talk) 11:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

GA nomination on hold

A decent article, but I do have a few suggestions, one major one, and a bunch of more minor ones:

  • In general, I think the most glaring ommission to the article is anything non-history related. Basically the entire article is an extended bio of the band. What about their musical style? Howabout a section dedicated to important awards/nominations? Howabout their influences? Anything interesting about their live performances? Lyrical content? Any controversies? Any political persuasions? In general I think these are the most difficult sections to write (and source), but are ultimately the most useful. As it is, it's not very broad or comprehensive.
  • The semi-colon in between Innocent Criminals and Silverchair in the infobox is unnecessary, I think, since they're on seperate lines.
  • "success an acclaim" is missing a D.
  • It might be good to give a brief descriptor of what Tiple J is, for the uninitiated, namely in the lead.
  • "underwent a hiatus" is awkward.
  • In general avoid using "They" to start a sentence.
  • "long time schoolmates Chris Joannou" should be schoolmate, singular, no?
  • In general, consider how specific you need to get with dates. For instance, "mid-1994" is a little odd. Is the fact that is is MID 1994 relevant to anything? 1994 would read better. Same with "recorded in just nine days in the early year." "The album was released on 27 March 1995." "It was released on 4 February 1997." etc.
  • "A rushed release of the Triple J recording" why was it rushed? Who described it as such?
  • "recorded in just nine days in the early year." It's not clear what year we are talking about.
  • The sentence describing the songs in Frogstomp is iffy. Not only is it conjecture without a source, but again, I'm not sure if it really applies to an article about the band in general.
  • "superstardom" is a POV word.
  • "succumbed to an eating disorder" does one succumb to something like that? "developed" would probably be a better word, I think.
  • "due to its more mature sound" it's POV that it has a more mature sound, and also that it's succes was due to that mature sound.
  • the "reactive arthritis mediation" thing seems like a very odd thing to mention here.

So, I've put the article's nomination on hold, which typically lasts 7 days. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns, and/or when you'd like me to take another look. Drewcifer (talk) 08:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied to some comments; the rest are done. Thanks for the review! dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 09:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Looking pretty good! I'd definitely say this is GA quality work. Good work! Feel free to give me a holler with any other nominations. Drewcifer (talk) 08:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Silverchair are wankers.
  1. ^ asf

Where did the groups name come from? That would be a good thing to have referenced in the article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 16:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Found it! They chose their name from a book of band names...interesting. Added to the article, thanks for the tip. :) dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 08:54, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Some areas that could be improved:

Ok, this is just a quick informal read through of the article with reccomendations as a thanks to Dihydrogen Monoxide.

  • "several band members partook in projects with side projects"- Repetition- how about 'recorded with side projects...'
  • "a song called "Tomorrow.""- "their song, "Tomorrow"." Note that the full stop is outside the speech marks.
  • "and perceptions of the pain of friends." Something always looks amiss when a paragraph doesn't end with a reference...
  • "A #1 hit in Australia and New Zealand, Silverchair went on to become the first Australian artist since INXS to hit the U.S. Top 10" It's the album that is a hit and top ten, not the artist. This could do with a rephrase.
  • The Frogstomp section is a little short- perhaps bulk it out quoting some reviews? AMG's good if you don't have any print (Rolling Stone, Kerrang!, Australian equivilent)
  • "success of Frogstomp in Australia and the US" - 'U.S.'
  • "singles in Australia - "Freak", "Abuse Me","- Bypass disambiguation, you want Abuse Me (Silverchair song)
  • "The songs focus on the anger and backlash that the expectations of Frogstomp brought upon the band." Why are they angry? What backlash? Ref?
  • "went gold in the United States" Ref?
  • "global sales eventually exceeded 1.5 million copies." Ref?
  • "Both Freak Show and Neon Ballroom both" Remove second 'both'.
  • "Neon Ballroom reached #5,[14] Freak Show's "Freak""- Replace comma with fullstop to separate the overseas album sales from the Australian single sales.
  • "theHot Modern Rock Tracks."- Missed space, and link to Hot Modern Rock Tracks?
  • "Silverchair toured extensively in support of Neon Ballroom propelling it to stronger worldwide sales than they had achieved with Freak Show." Do we have a ref that attributes the higher sales to the touring? If not, at least a ref comparing the sales?
  • "successful album to date, touring live and including appearances" The album toured?
  • "Silverchair's only live performance in 2000 was at the Falls Festival on New Year's Eve.[20] On 21 January 2001, the band played to 250,000 people at Rock In Rio, a show they described as the highlight of their career.[3]" Paragraph is a little short- is there any way it could be expanded or placed elsewhere?
  • "to himself an "artist","- 'as an artist'
  • Again, paragraph 2 of Diorama is a little short.
  • "heavy reactive arthritis mediaction;" Sorry, what's mediaction?
  • "cancel several other shows." Other? Why not just 'several shows'?
  • Sorry to keep mentioning this, but it lowers the overall quality of the article- short paragraph at the end of the extended break section.
  • "with reviewers describing the lyrics as moving and emotional." Which reviewer? Writing for whom?
  • "PopMatters' Nick Pearson saw the opposite" Link to PopMatters?
  • "The band has also won multiple awards in the Australian music industry including the APRA and Jack Awards. Silverchair has won a number of categories from notable music magazines. The band has scored 15 songs in the Triple J Hottest 100." Can we have references for everything there?
  • Some more categories for you- Category:1990s music groups, Category:2000s music groups, Category:Musical groups established in 1992 and possibly Category:People from Newcastle, New South Wales, but I guess that is more suited to the members' respective pages.
  • In the navbox, the Great Divide Tour is italicised, in the prose, it isn't. There's no guideline for it, as far as I know, (and I've looked) so I think it should be unformatted.

The article certainly seems to cover all the main areas and is well written. I can't pick any real fault with it. J Milburn (talk) 13:27, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Replied to some stuff (some just a note to self), the rest is done. Thanks heaps! dihydrogen monoxide (H20) 06:56, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Keyboardist

I just noticed that even though all the videos I've seen of Silverchair have had a keyboardist with the band, and even the photo in the article shows him, there is no mention of any keyboardist whatsoever in the text. Am I missing something? Dementedc (talk) 18:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

It's Paul Mac, I think. He's not really part of the band, he just performed with them on the Across the Great Divide tour. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 07:21, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
Paul Mac is the permanent touring keyboardist with the band, and has been for a few years now. I do not know which music videos feature a keyboardist, but he's the one who plays with them. He's not a permanent member, though. Only the trio are. There are other touring musicians for Silverchair too. Many bands have touring members.  PN57  10:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yair Garfias for a deletion discussion regarding a musician who is claimed to be a bassist for Silverchair. —David Eppstein (talk) 22:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

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Work needed

I think there's enough work needed on this article-- which has deteriorated since 2008-- that a FAR may be in order if the article doesn't improve while on the mainpage. There are sections that say ... well ... nothing, some copyedit is needed, and most significantly, there were no "as of" dates when the article was originally written, so a good deal of the information needs to be checked and updated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I think, before any FA more than a year or so old is slated for the main page, someone should at least check to see whether the editor who nominated it is still active (in this case, DHMO (now Giggy) made his last edit a few months ago, and hasn't really been editing regularly since early 2009, a year or so after this was promoted. He hasn't edited the article since late that year, in fact ... a gap of almost two years.[2]

I see that he was notified, but one further click might have made someone say "Hold on here ..."

I did notice that this was in less than ideal shape last weekend, and meant to notify Raul about it but then real life, in the form of a first week of school punctuated by Tropical Storm Lee and the issues this created. I took care of the worst problem I'd seen today, but I agree an FAR is a very good possibility here. Daniel Case (talk) 04:34, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Ack, as much as I like the band, the lead of this article reads more like an advertisement. "orchestral prog-infused chamber-pop"!?!?. I would support an urgent FAR on this one. Lankiveil (speak to me) 05:50, 10 September 2011 (UTC).
Urgent, no ... WP:FAR instructions specify a minimum wait after mainpage, lest someone takes on improving the article as a result of its mainpage appearance. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:16, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
Given that the main change being made seems to be changing the verb from plural to singular, against the conventions of Australian English, and reversions of same, I'm not optimistic that there will be much productive work done. Daniel Case (talk) 18:01, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

ELs

I've deleted the Facebook link and replaced it with a DMOZ link. Facebook was deleted as an "Official website" link is already provided and thus WP:ELNO #10 applies. I ask editors not to add any new ELs unless they satisfy criteria at WP:EL. Add any useful site to DMOZ instead. shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 21:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Silverchair haven't officially broken up

They're on "indefinite hibernation". Lachlanusername (talk) 22:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, what's up? They had an album in the pipeline.

So, it's not "were", but "is".Paulo Rená (talk) 18:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
Nah, 'were' is correct. See here: 'indefinite hibernation' is a euphemism for 'its over'. According to Bernard Zuel they were just softening the blow for their dedicated fans. The group may reconvene in the future but for now its over. By the way, in Aussie English, 'is' was not correct earlier either.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 11:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Innocent Criminals

The article doesn't mention that the band were forced to change their original name, Innocent Criminals, because it was already the name of Ben Harper's band (Ben Harper and the Innocent Criminals is a redirect, although that article oddly doesn't mention it). Is there any reason why this isn't covered in this article? It was mentioned in various media back in the day. —sroc 💬 01:15, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

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Rap or Hip hop?

This article pops up on my watchlist regularly, and usually it is someone changing "hip hop" (with a link) to "rap" no link. What is the major difference, other than one links to a specified genre, and the other one does not? Curious minds need to know! Hamster Sandwich (talk) 21:37, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

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