Talk:Silla/Archive 1

Origin of Bone Rank system as an evidence of North Asian Buyeo elites as founders?

What is interesting in Silla founding myths is that the royal title for the first ten or so kings: Geoseoghan, Chachaung, Isageum, Maripghan. To me they sound like Romanization of Kasikhan / Khaghan / Iskhan / Malik Khan into Chinese characters. changing of ch to k and vice versa is observed even in Europe, where Latin pronunciation for "C" evelved from K to CH over centuries ("Celetes" as pronounced in modern Italian and Church latin) Change Chachaung's "ch into k, and you have Kakaung, or Khakan.

Also interesting is the centuries old fixation on preserving their pure lineage among the royalty /nobility using the bonk rank system, that still pervades modern Korean language "bbyeodae gip eun jib an" . Possibly early Silla society was ruled by a foreign people who were niticeably different in appearance, who sought to preserve their "superiority" by keeping a pure lineage. Based on modern DNA evidence, perhaps the Seonggol (divine bone) ruling class came from the North (Buyeo) bringing Central Asian horse riding culture, and possibly possessing the Y-DNA C-M217, as opposed to the southern agricultural DNA of O2b and O3? Maybe this explains the wider dispersion of C-M217 in the southern part of the peninsula, where legends indicate the founder of Baekje also came form Buyeo (SW Korea)... Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krusader6 (talk • contribs) 03:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I want the summary of silla of Korean history

Chris morez (talk) 21:38, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Romanization

What's going on with this romanization. Wiktionary seems to say this is Shinra or something like that, but I'm not sure why "Silla" is used. What is the proper Korean spelling (in RR, MR, and Yale) for this? WhisperToMe 02:33, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

To understand this, one must enter the nasty intellectual bramble-patch of Korean phonology. The name is 신라 in Hangul, Silla in RR, Shilla in MR, and something foolish in Yale. The first syllable is romanized Sin or Shin, the second Ra. However, due to an assimilation rule, n + r (ㄴ + ㄹ) = ll (ㄹㄹ). So 신라 (Sin-ra) is pronounced 실라 (Silla), and romanized accordingly. -- Visviva 03:00, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

We Koreans pronounce it "실라", which is most certainly "Shilla," which rhymes with Villa or Chinchilla. It's not that it merely "sounds that way to the western ear" as the article indicates. -201.1.40.143 (talk) 22:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Number of blocks in Cheomseongdae

User:Silsor has dropped in a comment that "some sources say" the observatory is made from 366 blocks, rather than 362. However, after a cursory look around, I can't find anything that indicates there are any number other than 362. Does anyone know the basis for the alternative count? -- Visviva 03:00, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I've tried to count them, but gave up after about a hundred ;) We need references for such a claim (366). Kokiri 6 July 2005 09:21 (UTC)

Found a reference, added it to the Cheomseongdae article. Now I want to find a reference that will actually explain the discrepancy... -- Visviva 14:28, 11 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wokou?

According to the text, "Facing pressure from Baekje in the west, in 400, Silla allied with Goguryeo to attack Baekje and Japanese Wokou pirates."

However, the article on Wokou states that "Wōkòu (Chinese: 倭寇; Japanese pronunciation: wakō; Korean pronunciation: 왜구 waegu) were pirates who raided the coastlines of China and Korea from the 13th century onwards."

Is there some way that this can be harmonised? Either the use of the word Wokou is an anachronism (i.e., it is extending the name back through history to a time when it had not come into use) and a different term should be used, or the article on Wokou fails to give a complete picture and should mention these earlier bouts of Wokou activity. Bathrobe 04:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bathrobe, please see

The word Wokou has been used by Koreans all times to describe the Japanese Bucanners-it is even used today, in very insulting terms to refer to the Japanese, next to monkey. Didigo10

Cleanup

I placed this under cleanup because I felt coverage was spotty and all the sections needed to be pulled together, added to, and to an extent reorganizaed. I am working on getting the middle period narrative but later period has not been begun.

Straitgate 06:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Silla and the Jurchen

I find the remarks on supposedly Korean origins of the Jin dynasty wide of the mark. First, the claims about the similarity between Aisin Gioro and Silla sound extremely speculative. Second, strictly speaking, Nurhaci was not the founder of the Qing, but of the later Jin. One of his sons, later changed the name of the dynasty to Qing and created the name Manchu. Third, what is ethnic homogeneity between Manchus and Koreans supposed to mean? They don't even speak the same language.

In sum, these claims like they were taken from the works of Sin Chae'ho, who wanted to claim Manchuria for Korea. Just quoting the Manzhou yuanliu kao is not sufficient, a chapter and a page reference should be given. (I doubt that the author of this paragraph has read that book. Furthermore, Manzhou yuanliu kao was written in the 18th century in order to create a history of the Manchu, so anything that book say about Korean kingdom some eight hundred years earlier should be taken with some caution. If no credible source is quoted, I suggest that this paragraph be deleted.--Niohe 15:22, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the paragraph regarding the legacy of Silla through Kim Hambo. A historical text called the Jin Shi states it as well. Kim Hambo, a descendant of Silla, left Goryeo and entered Manchuria at the age of 60, but his brother stayed behind in Goryeo. This descendant of Silla married and had children and his 8th generation descendant was Kim Aguta, who was the founder of the Jin Empire. This isn't something that I decided to make up from the top of my head. I actually did some reading, and no i did not read Sin Chaeho's analysis of Manchuria history. I didn't know such a book existed. Aisin Gioro and Silla. Numerous historians have discovered it to be true. Aisin Gioro has many different meanings. Aisin Gioro means "Golden Clan", which can be translated to Geum clan. Geum is the equivalent of the Korean surname Kim. Another meaning of Aisin Gioro is "Love Silla and never forget it." I'm not completely sure about the "never forget it" part because i didn't directly cite it, but its very close to the true meaning. And the Manchu and Korean do not have the same language as you said, but that doesn't mean that they aren't connected. They come from the same language family and have SIMILAR but not the same languages. There's a difference. Just as the countries that speak Germanic languages do not share the SAME language, but they have similar lingual elements that have led historians and scientists to come to the conclusion that they come from the same lingual family and must have had a root language at some point in history. The Chinese do not share the same language either. There are numerous languages spoken in China due to the fact that numerous ethnic groups live within China. How can those that are not Han Chinese be called Chinese? They live within the country that is known today as the People's Democratic Republic of China, more commonly known as China. Nurhaci did not establish the Qing Empire. His son and successor Huang Taiji changed the state-name to Qing in 1636. Similar to how Dae Jung-sang established the first kingdom known as "Later Goguryeo", and his son Dae Joyeong changed the state-name to the Great Jin kingdom, also known as Balhae. Or also how Genghis Khan did not establish the Yuan Dynasty, but is still considered a founder. If that still gets in your way, then I'll change it and be extra specific. --Kprideboi 18:41, 27 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I thought Silla fought Japanese pirates. Good friend100 00:19, 29 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

original Jurchen clans (various Tungusic tribes) shared same ethnic line with Koreans; 70% of Korean people are from Tungusic clans, that originally migrated to Korean peninsula and thus even later languages became different, genetically Jurchen shared closest to Korean people than anyone else. --Korsentry 03:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by KoreanSentry (talk • contribs)

Redirect from Shinra?

Please comment on whether Shinra should be a redirect to this article at Talk:Shinra#Requested move. (It's a common spelling in late 19th and early 20th century books, for example.) Right now, the page Shinra discusses a fictional corporation from Final Fantasy VII; I have proposed that be moved to Shinra Electric Power Company instead. Cheers, cab 21:26, 21 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Technical problem

In my Firefox 2.0.0.12, all the edit buttons of the History part appear together behind the list of monarchs, behind the title of the Culture part.

El Comandante (talk) 08:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Longest Dynasty?

The opening paragraph states that Silla was the "longest sustained dynasty in Asian history." What is the basis for this claim? For example, the Wikipedia article http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Dynasty#Japan gives the rule of the Emperor of Japan as lasting from 606 BC to the present. This is longer than the period of 57 BC-935 AD for Silla. Should the "longest sustained dynasty" claim for Silla be removed or qualified in some way? 76.209.130.154 (talk) 16:25, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I note that even in the Korea part of the Dynasty article http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Dynasty#Korea, Gojoseon is listed as having a longer period of rule (2333-108 BCE) than Silla. Perhaps Gojoseon was not a single sustained dynasty, so it may not belong in the "Dynasty" list. Should the "Dynasty" article be edited also? 76.209.130.154 (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At the very least, I have added a link from Silla to the Dynasty article, so interested persons can investigate these claims themselves. 76.209.130.154 (talk) 18:22, 6 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I expected some sort of response, but since I got none, I will go ahead and qualify "longest sustained dynasty" to read "one of the longest sustained dynasties" since this appears to be true. 76.209.130.154 (talk) 16:30, 8 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Japanese Emperor is (throughout history) really more of a religious figure with almost no political or military power, so comparing his/her reign to a traditional dynasty is questionable. Of course, many dynasties, especially modern ones, turn into figureheads, but Japan seems to have been that way for most of the Imperial families existence, and indeed the word Emperor seems to have been ill chosen. 75.94.224.91 (talk) 18:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Shifting of power" section

I have taken the liberty of removing the most egregious and quite trivially false claims, but I would strongly recommend that this section be deleted as it is not only unsourced and questionable, but irrelevant to the part of the article at hand (it would be better treated as a topic under "Society and politics" if it is to be treated at all). --Tyrannus Mundi (talk) 01:23, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese Elite

The Bei Shi records that Silla elite were of partially Chinese descent and that the population was partially Chinese.

"新罗者，其先本辰韩种也。地在高丽东南，居汉时乐浪地。辰韩亦曰秦韩。相传言秦世亡人避役来适，马韩割其东界居之，以秦人，故名之曰秦韩。其言语名物，有似中国人。....其文字、甲兵，同于中国 "

"Silla came from Zhen Han. Its southeast of Koguryo, belonging to the Lelang prefecture during Han. According to a common saying, after Qin fell, many people came as refugees. Ma Han took the eastern part of its territory and gave it to them, because they are Qin people, they are also called Qin Han(another name for Zhen Han). Their language and words used to describe things are similar to the Chinese...their writing, armament, are the same as China's."

"其人杂有华夏、高丽、百济之属"

"there were Chinese, Koguryo, and Paekche people" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.63.125 (talk) 19:27, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Shilla"

The usage and primary topic of Shilla is under discussion, see talk:Shilla (6132m) -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:40, 20 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What excavation?

The last paragraph of "Society and politics," about "items uncovered during the excavation," seems to be a non sequitur. It looks like it was added last April in a significant edit by a since-blocked IP address. I think it's supposed to be part of the material discussed under "Foreign relations" but if so, it's out of order. B.adkins (talk) 18:55, 11 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]