Talk:Sia/Archive 3

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Dan "Bernad" or "Bernard"

We spell Sia's new husband's last name "Bernad". However, there are an awful lot of sources that spell it "Bernard", including this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this and over 1,000 other Google news hits. "Bernad" has only 20% as many Google News hits. Shouldn't we at least note that other sources think it is "Bernard"? I imagine that, eventually, someone will definitively clear this up, but it appears to still be in some doubt. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:15, 13 May 2023 (UTC)

Autism diagnosis

I just reverted back to the last stable edit as nobody really changed anything... @Ssilvers: do you think we should make the autism diagnosis more 'standout' in the health section as it's gaining quite a lot of media coverage (mostly in relation to the film)? Also, as we know she did indeed announce it on that Twitter Space a while ago but most sources are reporting that she has only just announced it. — Peterpie123rww (talk) 12:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

No, I think it is given exactly the right amount of ink and prominence. Sia has said, over the years, that she has been diagnosed with a whole bunch of psychological conditions. If you go to enough shrinks and say, "hey do you think I might be on the spectrum?" eventually one of them will say "yes, could be." Also, the fact that the media is a little late in catching up to this earlier "revelation" is of no consequence whatever. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, will leave as is then. Thanks! — Peterpie123rww (talk) 14:12, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Known as Sia

I found the RfC to refer to her as Sia throughout the article. We should have something that explains why. Ssilvers [1] suggested we follow the identified the example from Cher, which I've now done.which I followed. [2] - Hipal (talk) 03:05, 7 September 2023 (UTC) refactored --Hipal (talk) 19:34, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

It doesn't appear Sia has legally changed her name as Cher did, so the previous treatment is more appropriate per MOS:LEGALNAME(eg Lady Gaga, Bruno Mars, Queen Latifah).

Is anyone claiming her legal name is "Sia"? --Hipal (talk) 17:27, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

@Hipal hi, sia didn't change her name, she was born with that name. The difference is that she doesn't use the surname furler, only in songwriting credits. ?Silencedoc¿ 17:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

No, I did not suggest any such thing. You made it up. I only said that the Cher article does not use the "known monomously as" model. I don't see what difference the legal name change would make (I have no idea whether Sia has done so), and I see no reason to clutter up the lead sentence. See Madonna, both of which are Good Articles. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:44, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

MOS is consensus. Anything else will require wide agreement. You realize that the Cher example doesn't apply for the reasons given, correct? If you can point to discussion on why Madonna is the way it is, as well as what her legal name is, please do so. Otherwise, it's WP:OSE. --Hipal (talk) 19:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

No, I disagree with you. I believe that you misunderstand the MOS. So we will have to wait for a wide agreement to change the status quo. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:26, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Disagreement doesn't mean we ignore our guidelines or policy. If no relevant examples can be given, there's no reason to waste further time trying to claim consensus against MOS. --Hipal (talk) 19:36, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

The three examples at MOS:LEGALNAME are:

1. Timothy Alan Dick (born June 13, 1953), known professionally as Tim Allen
2. Alessandro di Mariano di Vanni Filipepi (c. 1445 – May 17, 1510), better known as Sandro Botticelli
3. Ariadna Thalía Sodi Miranda (born 26 August 1971), known mononymously as Thalía

Is the first or second preferable to the third? --Hipal (talk) 19:39, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

The status quo is preferable. Again, you misunderstand the MOS. None of those examples have to do with a case like Madonna or Sia, where the mononym is the person's first name. See also Aaliyah and Usher (yet another Good Article), both of which are mentioned with approval in the MOS. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:57, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Good point. Thank you. I'll look into it for discussions. MOS also gives [[Selena] as an example, which uses the third example from above. --Hipal (talk) 20:38, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, your argument is definitely WP:OSE. Clearly either way is correct, and equally clearly there is no consensus here to add the more cluttered alternative. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, MOS brings up the issue of clutter, though the examples aren't similar. --Hipal (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I've asked at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Biography#First_name_mononym if there's a general consensus for an introduction. --Hipal (talk) 20:59, 7 September 2023 (UTC)