Talk:Shoshana Kamin

Shoshana Kamin

I moved there the whole discussion found in my talk page since this may be more appropriate discussion forum. Daniele.tampieri (talk) 13:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daniele,

I have looked through the article about Shoshana Kamin, and one thing surprised me: why do you write "at the same time and independently of Olga Oleinik"? S.K. was a PhD student of Oleinik (see Susanna L'vovna Kamenomostskaya at the Mathematics Genealogy Project), so independently can hardly apply. Also, Rubinstein writes in several places that Oleinik generalised the results of S.K. (pp.11–12, 310).

Best, Sasha (talk) 01:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sasha,

concerning my entry about Shoshana Kamin, I wrote that (almost surely wrong) statement probably due to the fact that I read too quickly and not carefully enough the sources I reported there and on the related entry about Olga Arsenievna Oleinik. As a matter of fact, I created the stub entry on S.K. in order to provide context for the O.O. entry on a notability basis, but then I "frozen" my contributions to the two entries without reviewing my writings carefully since

1. I am working on several topics other than biographies, more interesting and much needed for my professional improvement,
2. I am still learning the Russian language, and my level is still beyond the elementary level needed to read the original papers of S.K., O.O. and other related sources and, even if I own a copy of Rubinstein work, I decided to not continue my contribution until I am not able to review all sources (as you may have already guessed, I have a restricted access to the resources, including English translations of original works, normally available to academicians since I'm not an academician).
3. I wasn't able to find much material (especially surveys) related to S.K. biography or research/teaching work on the web.

These are the main reasons that probably caused the occurrence of that and other not completely correct/dead wrong statements in the main text of the entry :-D. If you would like to review and correct the entry, I'd be truly happy. At last, I want also to thank you for finding the {{MathGenealogy}} reference and the complete Russian name of S.K.: I'll surely add 'em to the entry and correct the imprecise statement you found, when I'll have some time. Best,Daniele.tampieri (talk) 13:09, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daniele,

I did not mean to criticise you, just to make sure I read the sources properly myself (since you wrote this at two places). Though I am a native Russian speaker and do have access to some of the resources, I did not manage to find good sources either (even for what I am almost sure is true, e.g. that she is the daughter of the Habima actress Hava Eidelman).

Best regards,

Sasha (talk) 15:33, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

PS your talk page is on my watchlist (from our previous correspondence), so you do not have to leave talkback messages.

Hi Sasha,

please do not worry, I did not feel criticized, at least in a non-constructive way: I'm just an electronics engineer so I'm used to analyze my design choices in an articulated way, to understand the reasons of success and failure. ;-D :-D :-D :-D You are welcome!

You helped me a lot with my proposal on the {{MacTutor}} template (did you notice that I'm trying some solutions?), and I also like your contributions, especially the one on Mikhail Kadets, a scientist whose research on series on (Banach or Locally convex) vector spaces I appreciate very much.

Well, now let's go back to the Shoshana Kamin entry: you have done a nice work, but our problem is still that there are few sources about her biography on the web. A possible solution would be to consult the yearbooks of Tel-Aviv University, if this university publishes a yearbook: this is usually a reliable secondary source and refers of career steps and other academic events, interesting from a biographical point of view. At present I'm trying this solution to improve the biographical part of the Giovanni Battista Rizza entry: I wrote to the Rector of the Università di Parma to ask for the permission to consult their yearbook archives (this is the praxis I've chosen, even if the same series is freely accessible in several other libraries) and an expert librarian is now helping me in my search of published sources. Would it be possible to try this solution even for S,K.? All the Best, Daniele.tampieri (talk) 12:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daniele,

I will try to check about the yearbook.

Now, another question: are you sure about the first name? I was sure it is Сусанна; I did not find a good ref., but this text avout Felix Berezin agrees with me.

All the best, Sasha (talk) 15:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sasha,

I hope you'll succed in find something in the yearbook. Now the question: No, I'm not sure; the source you supplied is right (is it a reliable source according to WP:RS? Would it be possible to cite it? It seems to me that it contains also an article on Solomon Mikhlin used in the Russian Wiki). I first translitterated her name using grammar rules and obtained "Сусанна" but after a Google search I found out that this is not a common Russian name, therefore I decided to trust again on Google by using a machine translation. Lesson learned: trust grammar rules! :-D

Now I must justify other changes and I've done and also other peculiarities of my

1. WP:APPENDIX describes the standard structure of sections of a Wikipedia entry. I noticed this only a month ago, and found that almost all the entries I worked to were out of standard: from then onward I change the structure of the entries I am working to according to this policy.
2. as you surely noted, I use heavily the {{citation}} template, since as you can see in the WP:CT page, you can cite all kind of sources using this template, and also it helps me very much when the source has a non standard structure, i.e. it is published in series, is a paper in a series of proceedings, collection or other.
3. I do not usually fold the fields of the template (I keep them vertically aligned) since it saves me and other occasional editors time when adding some detail to sources. However this is largely a matter of taste, and of course it is not a rule.
4. I expand a little bit the content of the footnotes, if possible, but this is again a matter of taste, and again it is not a rule.

If you find disturbing my edit habits, please tell me and I'll do all the best I can to improve it. :-D

Now back to the Shoshana Kamin entry: if your search in the yearbook will be successful and you'll be able to find more biographical details, we can put in the entry a {{Infobox scientist}} template. Maybe you would like to use it in the entries about scientists you created: someone do not like it, but I think it lets you give a quick and informative look on the contents of a bio entry. Well, that's all for now. I hope I have not annoyed you too much! :-D Daniele.tampieri (talk) 16:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daniele,

I never had the patience to read WP:APPENDIX, but I will do my best to follow your conventions (although I apologise in advance, Michael Hardy had to work for half a year before I learned the difference between ndash, -, and minus:).

The problem with these sources is that I think Tikhomirov (as well as Milman) wrote from memory. There is a paper of S.K. dated 1973 with TAU affiliation (her last paper with the name Kamenomostskaya), it is more reliable for chronology. Except for that (and the yearbook which I will try to check), I do not have good ideas for secondary sources.

this contains some information about Hava Eidelman (I can translate it for you), but the connection to S.K. is not mentioned there.

Best regards, Sasha (talk) 22:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sasha,

after solving the {{MacTutor}} template problem, we can talk about our Shoshana Kamin entry: first of all, I think it would be not useful to translate the link you found now, since it does not specify the relationship about H.E. and S.K.: maybe it will be a nice source of information in later stages of our development, if we get other sources confirming their family tie. Now I have a few questions:

1. Is its 1973 paper the one he published in the Archive for Rational Mechanics and Analysis? Otherwise do you have a PDF copy of it? I would be interesting to cite it, even just to have a source which confirms her name change.
2. I would like to place in the "Pubblications" sections more references to her work, basing on the works by Rădulescu and Vázquez: in particular I would like to cite its 1975 Archive paper and the other one Vázquez acknowledges as fundamental in the theory of the porous medium equation. Did you think it could be a good idea? I'd also would like to read more of Rădulescu, in order to detail more of her work on other topics by citing other papers.

Now I have a question about another entry I am working to, the one about Aizik Isaakovich Vol'pert. Do you think that if I write to the Technion library asking for infos about him published in their yearbook I'll get an answer? I asked to his son Vladimir and Vitaly to write a review about him, but they are very busy and the haven't been able to write and publish such a paper (and I also suspect it would be difficult to find a journal interested in publishing it), therefore it would be nice to find other biographical sources. All the best, Daniele.tampieri (talk) 13:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daniele,

1. the paper you found is better, it indeed confirms the name change. I saw the one in Isr. Journal, "The asymptotic behavior of the solution of the filtration equation", I can send you the PDF.
2. why not?
3. you can try. I have not found the old yearbooks in the Tel Aviv library catalogue (perhaps it is better to write them too). Also you can try contacting one of the organisers of the Volpert conference. I will also look for some sources.

Best, Sasha (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sasha,

if you can send me the PDF of her paper in the Israel Journal of mathematics, I'll surely cite it and other papers marked as fundamental by Rădulescu and Vázquez: I'll also contact the library of Tel-Aviv University and of the Technion in order to check for availability of yearbook informations about the two scientists. I must say I have already asked to the organizers of the conference, but they had no useful (i.e. Wikipedia verifiable) data on him: they kindly passed my request to the Vol'pert brothers, who anyway were already contacted by me. However, you can try, and as usual any nice addition to the entry is welcome! Daniele.tampieri (talk) 18:25, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sasha,

while reading the historical section of the Rubinstein's book I noticed that there exists another earlier paper by S.K. on the Stefan problem:

• Kamenomostskaya, S.L. (1958), "On the Stefan Problem", Nauchn. Dokl. Vyssh. Shkoly, Fiz.-Mat. Nauki (1): 60–62, Zbl 0143.13901

The paper is not reviewed in the Mathematical Reviews, while its Zentralblatt MATH review (freely accessible) seems interesting. Do you know what is the Journal? I tried to identify it but I failed. Maybe I'll ask for a copy to S.K. herself, if I cannot find the publication name. Daniele.tampieri (talk) 13:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Daniele,

I did not find it online. I did find a Cyrillic version of the bibl. info:

Каменомостская С.Л. О задаче Стефана. Научные Доклады Высшей Школы, 1 (1958) 1, 60-62.

Sasha (talk) 16:11, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sasha,

thank you very much. That's what I need: I'll see if I succeed in finding a copy in a library here in Italy, otherwise I'll ask to S.K. for a preprint. Daniele.tampieri (talk) 18:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sasha,

I do have a scanned copy of the paper. Since I was not able to find it in a library, I asked it directly to Prof. Kamin: she told me that it is almost impossible to find it, since the journal who published it lasted only few years. I'm going to cite it as a reference both in this entry and in the one about the Stefan problem. Daniele.tampieri (talk) 18:32, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Israelian -> Israeli

Sasha, please forgive my carelessness: when DPL bot left a message in my talk page stating that the term "Israeli" was ambiguous, I substituted quickly with the (wrong) "Israelian" which is considered not ambiguous according to the Wikipedia. Maybe it would be necessary to change the situation and let the word "Israeli" point its true meaning instead than a disambiguation page. :-D Daniele.tampieri (talk) 17:25, 5 April 2012 (UTC)