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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Aaron Copland considered the Short Symphony to be "one of the best things I ever wrote"?

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Settle on article title (see Short Symphony vs. Symphony No. 2 (Copland)) Y
Add thorough discography and performance history Y
Obtain access to paper Aaron Copland’s Short Symphony and the Challenge to Human Supervision and Control in Music Y
Expand musical analysis in Form using additional sources Y

GeneralPoxter (talk) 03:05, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For discography, check All Music GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Short Symphony vs. Symphony No. 2 (Copland)

I'm not sure whether the main article title should be Short Symphony or Symphony No. 2 (Copland). In many of the sources I have read (including quotes from Copland himself), the work is referred to predominantly as the Short Symphony. Mentions on Aaron Copland and List of compositions by Aaron Copland also only mention it as the Short Symphony. Even the published score seems to exclusively refer to the symphony as the Short Symphony. However, one of the main sources used in this article (Hilliard) says that Short Symphony is only a "nickname". I want to see what other editors think about this topic. GeneralPoxter (talk) 00:38, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pollack claims that: "Because Copland never thought of the [Dance Symphony] as a real symphony, he would later refer to the Short Symphony as his second symphony", implying that Short Symphony is the original name. Main name of the article will be Short Symphony for now. GeneralPoxter (talk • contribs) 17:02, 21 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Aaron Copland, composer of the Short Symphony

... that Aaron Copland (pictured) considered the Short Symphony to be "one of the best things I ever wrote"? Source: Hilliard, Quincy Charles (1984). A theoretical analysis of the symphonies of Aaron Copland. George A. Smathers Libraries (PhD). University of Florida. p. 99.

Reviewed: Sonata in C major for piano four-hands, D 812 (Schubert)

Created by GeneralPoxter (talk). Self-nominated at 01:29, 27 February 2021 (UTC).[reply]

The article is new enough, long enough, referenced, neutral and plagiarism-free. I'm AGF an offline source. The hook is sourced and interesting. QPQ done. Corachow (talk) 20:21, 27 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you are referring to the Cross & Ewen source? Would it be acceptable if I include full quotes from the book (or upload photos of the pages in question – if that is even permissible on Wikipedia)? GeneralPoxter (talk) 05:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Corachow: I replaced the offline source with a Google Books link to the verifiable 1969 revised version of the encyclopedia. I also provided specific quotes from the 1962 version (the original source) which can now be verified in the 1969 version. Though the book is not previewable, you can search the quotes I provided in the Google Books search bar to check page number and authenticity: Sonata Form Cyclic Form. Thanks for reviewing, GeneralPoxter (talk) 17:14, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

AGF stands for assuming good faith, I had already accepted that source but thank you for replacing them with online ones, it still makes the article better. Corachow (talk) 17:29, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Corachow: Thanks for the clarification. On a related note to offline sources, are the article's JSTOR and Taylor and Francis sources also accepted in good faith? Most of them seem to be locked/paywalled, but they are still verifiable for editors with library access. GeneralPoxter (talk) 18:25, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, they are accepted, I mistakenly wrote that only the Cross & Ewen source was accepted. Corachow (talk) 18:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GeneralPoxter, I was going to promote this, but see that there's an unreferenced quote. Can you please add a source for the quote "The Third movement ... begins to sound rather Mexican to me.", and ping me when you've done so? Thanks! MeegsC (talk) 10:34, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

MeegsC, done. GeneralPoxter (talk) 12:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! MeegsC (talk) 13:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]