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The article was cut out from Shah (disambiguation). mikka (t) 19:31, 10 December 2005 (UTC) 175.100.169.122 (talk) 09:05, 10 February 2013 (UTC)Jignesh Shah[reply]

The two Shahs are different

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The last name Shah as used in India by Jains/Hindus and the used in Afghanistan/Pakistan (or Indian Muslims) are completely different, and have different origin.Malaiya (talk) 23:47, 27 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I get that the communities using them are different, but aren't they both ultimately descended from the Persian regal title shah? —Moxfyre (ǝɹʎℲxoɯ | contrib) 06:42, 3 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
No they are not related. There are literally hundreds of Jain inscriptions from 12th century (a few evern earlier) that use the title Sahu or Sadhu for Jain householders.Malaiya (talk) 04:02, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but what has Sahu or Sadhu got to do with Shah?? 49.15.84.93 (talk) 11:11, 2 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sahu or Sadhu has no relation whatsoever to Shah. We won't pull the curtains just yet on this one. But Universally speaking, "Shah" does mean "King." The term "Shah" originated from the Persian language, where it refers to a monarch or ruler with the utmost authority. This title has been historically used in various regions, including Persia, India, and other parts of South Asia, to denote kings or sovereign rulers. Over time, the term may have been adapted or used as a surname by different communities, but its fundamental meaning of "King" remains consistent across cultures. Cronycapitalism (talk) 22:43, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The editor had claimed that the Indian surname "shah" is not related to the Persian word, but is rather an etimological derivation of sadu. I have checked the given reference by the editor:

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Which proves the editors claim about this etimology is false and the source makes no such claim that the editor is making. In fact there are no sources anywhere supporting this claim whatsoever. Xarhunter (talk) 05:42, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen that the links Xarhunter changed were added back again . I removed the links and marked them as Citation Needed and marked some links which were not present as dead links Subratadass (talk) 19:07, 14 November 2018 (IST)

Isn't Shah mainly used by Jains/Hindus?

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Is Shah surname commonly used in India primarily used by Jains and Hindus? While the history and translation of the surname should be included, the main point of the article should be the different communities using it and that should be highlighted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Icedicyice (talk • contribs) 16:07, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is mainly used by Jains in in Gujarat and Southern Rajasthan, and Hindu who are members of merchant communities such as Porwal or Shrimal, (which have both Jain and Vaishnava divisions, and live in the same region).Malaiya (talk) 04:04, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that the surname "Shah" is primarily used by Jains and Hindus in Gujarat and Southern Rajasthan does not negate the fact that it is also used by other communities and has universal recognition for its historical association with the title "King" in various regions.
The issue might arise due to a potential misunderstanding or lack of clarity on the part of that person regarding the broader usage and significance of the surname "Shah." While it is more prevalent among Jains and Hindus in specific regions, it is not exclusive to them, and individuals from diverse communities also carry the surname "Shah" in India and beyond.
As this is Wikipedia, it is important to provide an accurate and comprehensive overview of the subject. Hence, this article should highlight both the predominant use of the surname "Shah" by Jains and Hindus in certain regions while also acknowledging its broader usage and historical connection to the regal title "King." By doing so, the article can offer a well-rounded perspective on the significance of the surname "Shah" in India and its various cultural associations. Cronycapitalism (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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