Talk:Shō Sen'i

Question

what the heckie is up with the end of this article? "somebody thought he was assassinated" like what is even the meaning of this? 87.205.199.23 (talk) 21:39, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

@87.205.199.23: I think someone mistranslated that. ミーラー強斗武 (StG88ぬ会話) 03:24, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Hilst talk 21:42, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Shō Sen'i was overthrown in favor of his thirteen-year-old nephew?

• Source: Smits, Gregory (2019). Maritime Ryukyu, 1050–1650. Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press. doi:10.2307/j.ctvsrfmz. ISBN 9780824877095. pages 89–90, 128

Smits, Gregory (2024). Early Ryukyuan History: A New Model. Honolulu: University of Hawai'i Press. doi:10.2307/jj.8441682. ISBN 9780824898205. pages 254–255

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Third Cathedral of Saint Paul (Minnesota)

5x expanded by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 91 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC).

• Hello, I'll be taking this. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 03:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Seems long enough. 5x expansion checked. Hook seems interesting in my opinion. I'm not familiar with DYK, but the automated text here demands 2 QPQs while only 1 has been given. Earwig is at 2.9%. Seems like the stupid website doesn't give me access to the book, so I'm resorting to AGF. I sure do hate books on Wikipedia.

Okay, I've checked for information, and the information seems to be good. I can't see the book you got the information from, but at least I'll be sleeping knowing that it's correct. QPQ is good per below, so... ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 06:44, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

@AlphaBetaGamma: Just so you know, Template:Did you know nominations/Third Cathedral of Saint Paul (Minnesota) includes two articles, which should technically be equivalent to two QPQ reviews. Epicgenius (talk) 04:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Shō Sen'i/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 21:09, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Borsoka (talk · contribs) 05:02, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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Comments

• ...the Okinawan lord... Introduce Okinawa as an island in the Western Pacific.
  • Done. -G
• Introduce Sho Toku.
  • Done. -G
• Link Okinawa when it is first mentioned.
  • Done. -G
• ...to which he fled and became a local lord after a dispute over water rights When? One of the local lords of the small island? With whom?
  • Clarified. -G
• ...official histories... Of what?
  • Clarified. -G
• Introduce Omoro Soshi.
  • Done. -G
• ...(Reflections on Chūzan).. Delete, or add the same info after Omoro Soshi.
  • Done. - G

• I do not find it.

• The 1650 chronicle Chūzan Seikan (Reflections on Chūzan) states that Sen'i left his parents at age five and was raised by his brother Kanemaru. This should be mentioned in the previous section for chronological reasons.
  • Done. - G

• In Shō Taikyū, 1725 is the year for the same history.

• Oops! On Taikyu I mixed up the date of the Chuzan Seikan and the Chuzan Seifu. Corrected the date. Generalissima (talk) (it/she)

• Who is Taikyu?
• Introduce Chuzan Seifu.
  • Clarified. -G

• I would add the century.

• Done. - G

• ...(Genealogy of Chūzan).. Delete, or add the same info after Omoro Soshi.
  • Done. - G

• I do not find it.

Unfortunately there's no good translation for the name of the Omoro Soshi. Sources like Smits that translate the name of the official histories still just call it the Omoro Soshi in English. - G

• Who is Sho Shin?
  • Clarified. -G
• Link Ryukyu Kingdom.
  • Done. - G
• Link Sho Shin when he is first mentioned.
  • Done. - G
• Delink Sho Shin when he is mentioned for the second time.
  • Done. - G
• Delink Chuzan Seikan when is mentioned for the second time. Borsoka (talk) 05:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• @Borsoka: Fixed all of these up; thank you! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:16, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Source review

• Specialised academic sources are cited.
• Ikemiya (2005): location is missing.
• Please quote the texts (on this talk page) from the cited sources verifying the following sentences:

• In 1469, Kanemaru overthrew the king Shō Toku and took the throne of Chūzan under the name Shō En, founding the Second Shō dynasty of the Ryukyu Kingdom.

Realized I had mixed up the order of events here, and rephrased the sentence.

• At the age of 41, during En's reign, Sen'i was appointed the lord of Goeku, probably the king Shō Taikyū's original power base.

• • "During his brother’s reign Sen’i became lord of Goeku, the likely origin place of Kanemaru’s apparent benefactor Shō Taikyū" - Smits 2019, p. 128

• For the following twenty years, extremely limited information is recorded from Chūzan beyond the regular trade and tribute correspondence. This may be due to interdynastic warfare and violence among the ruling dynasty in the wake of the coup. Borsoka (talk) 01:15, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

"That was in 1477. for the next twenty years, tribute emissaries set sail and trade specialists in Kumemura compiled diplomatic correspondence. Otherwise, however, there is almost completely silence on the domestic front [...] What happened during those twenty years of silence? Given the violent nature of Sho Shin's coming to the throne and the disperced branches of the Kawara, the most likely answer is interfamily warfare." - Smits 2024, pp. 254-255

• @Borsoka: Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 01:17, 15 December 2024 (UTC)