Talk:Sevlengere

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@Netherzone, the source http://rombase.uni-graz.at/cd/data/ethn/groupsat/data/sepecides.en.pdf clearly states that the sepecides in greece once were a muslim nomadic group in saloniki who made baskets. Before 1923 there were no Christian sepecides. It was only during the population exchange between Greece and Turkey in 1923 that those Sepecides who wanted to stay in Greece changend there religion and accepted the Christian faith and settled then in Volos. This group no longer calls itself sepecides but Sevlengere Roma. Please read the source properly. 2003:E1:3F0B:128F:3C54:C9A:E288:4F7 (talk) 12:54, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Basketmaker Roma groups.

There is a lot wrong with this article. This article is actually about the dialect of the sepecides from salonica. Not all Roma basket-weavers from Greece or Turkey have anything to do with the Sepečides group of who once lived in Salonica.

Examples in the article:

Turkey: The Sepetçi group from Vize, the source in turkish doesn't say anything that they are descendants of the Sepečides from Salonika. Also the source about the sepetci from Keşan, no any single word about descendants of the Sepečides from Salonika.

Likewise the Sepetçi Bayram (Basketmaker Festival) in Efeler, they are no any mentioned in the source that they are descendants of the Sepečides from Salonika, The source said they came from the black sea region of Turkey and settled in efeler. Black sea is not in Greece.

Sepetçiler/Sepetçi is the Turkish word for basket weavers. Turkey itself has a number of basket weavers groups, but they are not all descendants of the Sepecides. Far away. Only a small group of this sepecides came to Turkey from Salonika in 1923.

Greece: The Kalathoplektikís (Basketmaker), was allways Christian Orthodox roma group from Greece. Long established in Greece, long before the Ottoman-time. They havent anything to do with the Sepecides from Salonika.

Bulgaria: The Koshnichari (Basketmaker) are orthodox christian roma basketmaker group, while the Sepedji from Shumen are Muslim roma basketmaker group, both havent to do with the Sepečides from Salonica.

2003:E1:3F25:579C:9C9:FE96:912E:CB26 (talk) 14:53, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]