Talk:Serbian Volunteer Corps (World War II)

Retreat and Demise

Retreat and demise section is bery long, can it be split up?Sam Hayes 23:11, 23 September 2006 (UTC) This article is obviously based on postwar propaganda. The Volunteers were not collaborators with Nazis de facto. Whatever the Reich or the double crossing Brits decided to deem them during and after the war does not change the reality on the ground. Perhaps prisoners of war are considered collaborators with the enemy that had captured them? That would be consistent with Partisan delusions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.153.160 (talk) 22:32, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

what is your reliable published source for that? The Serbian Volunteer Corps were German auxiliaries. It was formed as a Zbor party army in Sep 41, it's detachments were initially subordinated to German divisions, had German liaison officers attached to them and could not move out of their allocated areas without German permission. Then they were placed under the direct command of the German commander in Serbia and received arms and ammunition from the Germans. Peacemaker67 (talk) 23:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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71.194.187.81 17:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)Retreat and Demise section looks false as the Chetniks fought against the axis, many communists and Croatian Facists used this kind of propaganda after the war to puff up the Partizans contributions..... Im sure the 500+ American airmen rescued by the Chetniks would probably not find this article's references to the Chetniks to be honest & fair.71.194.187.81 17:15, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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Nigel and Littlejohn

Can full citations be provided for these short citations please? Thanks, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Ideology of Zbor and the SDK

Many sources state that Ljotic and Zbor were fascist. Just a small sample:

• Karl-Heinz Frieser & Klaus Schmider (eds) The Eastern Front 1943-1944: The War in the East and on the Neighbouring Fronts, Oxford University Press, p. 1087 "the fascist Zbor movement"
• John K. Cox The History of Serbia, Greenwood Publishing, p. 84 "Ljotić's small Serbian fascist movement"
• Robert Thomas Serbia Under Milošević: Politics in the 1990s, C. Hurst & Co., p. 20 "Ljotić's fascist movement"
• Jozo Tomasevich Yugoslavia During The Second World War in Wayne Vuchinich's Contemporary Yugoslavia: Twenty Years of Socialist Experiment, University of California Press, p. 80 "the Serbian fascist Dimitrije Ljotić"
• Jeanne M. Haskin Bosnia and Beyond: The "quiet" Revolution that Wouldn't Go Quietly, Algora Publishing, p. 28 "the Serbian fascist movement Zbor"
• John R. Lampe Yugoslavia as History: Twice There Was a Country, Cambridge University Press, p. 227 "the fascist Dimitrije Ljotić"
• Marko Attila Hoare The Bosnian Muslims in the Second World War, Oxford University Press, p. 110 ""the Serbian fascist leader Dimitrije Ljotić"

This is the overwhelming academic consensus. The SDK was the party army of the fascist Zbor organisation. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:05, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Never ONCE in the ZBOR/SDK documents are they labeled/declared as "fascists", in fact, they in several occasions DELIBERATELY say that their ideology isn't fascist. What you are basically doing is you're telling someone what they are, like you know better than they themselves do. Notice how all of the "sources" you provided are from completely unimportant people that haven't stepped into ex-yu. ZBOR was a far right monarchist-nationalist party, not a fascist one. Ljotic didn't like fascism as a ideology which he said multiple times. I don't support him or his actions, I just hate false accusations, this one being blatantly obvious.

Sources :

• Šta hoće ZBOR (Written by Velibor Jonić), ltr. "What ZBOR wants", listing the party goals, notice fascism is NEVER mentioned.
• Official newspapers of ZBOR "Otadžbina" no. 48, 2nd February 1935, titled "Not fascism nor hitlerism" where Ljotic specifically mentions difference between ZBOR and fascism.
• In May of 1937. Stojadinovic was going to Rome and Berlin to study nazism and fascism ideologies, Ljotic wrote : "We are not fascists, nor is our thought fascist. 100 hundred times we said it and proved it. Stojadinovic might go to Rome to copy Fascism, or Berlin to copy Hitlerism, but he doesn't take our thought." Kosmar6314(click to talk to me)

If you are planning to edit Wikipedia, you need to read and understand WP:RS. Articles need to be based on reliable, independent, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Statements by Zbor members about themselves are NOT independent of the subject. Scholarship always trumps self-serving propaganda. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 14:04, 22 September 2021 (UTC)