Talk:Sequenza XIV

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A fact from Sequenza XIV appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 7 December 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that cellist Rohan de Saram's background as a geta bera drummer inspired Luciano Berio's Sequenza XIV?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 20:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, in 2002 the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by the artistry of Rohan de Saram including traditional Kandyan drumming? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: ~~to come~~
- Comment: This is one of the key works of 21st-century classical music.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2118 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: Hi Gerda Arendt, happy to do the DYK review. The article has a readable prose size of 4310 characters. It was created yesterday. Every paragraph in the body of the article is sourced. WP:EARWIG shows no copyright problems. QPQ has not yet been done. I have a minor quibble about the hook: it seems to me that it tries to convey too many individual facts. What about something simpler like

ALT1: ...that Sequenza XIV was composed in 2002 as Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958?

or

ALT2: ...that Sequenza XIV, composed for Rohan de Saram in 2002, is Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958? Phlsph7 (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing, and the suggestions. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Mind. I believe that the one thing fascinating "Maestro Berio" (as he is called by the cellist) as well as the ordinary Main page reader is this drumming. We can rather do without the series if it's really too much. I can also imagine to improve the series article to make it a double hook. ALT1 is no option for me because some kind of reverence for the cellist (and drummer) was the motivation to write the article. Making him GA seemed harder ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah I see. If we want to go without the series, we could use something like

ALT3: ...that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio was inspired by the childhood experiences of cellist Rohan de Saram with Kandyan drumming?

But I think your original suggestion also meets the DYK requirements so the decision may be more a matter of taste. Approved. Phlsph7(talk) 07:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I think that ALT3 is a bit smallish, - the childhood drumming is just part of the inspiration, the playing of one of the most inspiring cellists of all times should not be left out completely ;) - I learned of his death from a friend who is a cellist, and felt his enthusiasm remembering a live concert of Xenakis. Berio knew why he added to a series that had already been considered complete ("complete" recording in 1995), - it's an outstanding piece in every respect and deserves a little longer hook, imho. We can't use any of the pics, sadly, because de Saram's is not free, and Berio's is way too young for one of his last works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

One last alternative if we want to go for the full package: what do you think about the following, a version of ALT0 copy-edited only for better flow:

ALT0a: ... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, completed in 2002 as the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by Rohan de Saram's artistry, including traditional Kandyan drumming?

Phlsph7 (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I like it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the hooks here would be very enticing to the average reader, but I won't object if someone else wants to promote it. Just noting a bit of queasiness. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone runs a series from 1958 to 2002, and you think that's not "enticing"? We have no room for that the series had been deemed complete in 1995, but someone made an exception. Someone plays cello and Indian drum, and you think that's not unusual? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the part about completing a series started over 40 years earlier should be interesting to the average reader. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Completing a series of works over a long span of time is not unusual in classical music. The span of time between Shostakovich's first and last symphonies, for example, span the same number of years as that between the first and last of Berio's Sequenza. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While interesting, ALT0a seems too unfocused (Phlsph7's original contention) to me as a promoter; is "for solo cello by Luciano Berio" necessary and could the rest be made more concise? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt, Phlsph7, Theleekycauldron, and CurryTime7-24: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"for solo cello" is needed, - it is a series of pieces for different solo instruments, and it seems necessary to know which one, and it's kind of quirky that such a common instrument as cello was missing in a series that had been thought complete almost a decade earlier. "solo" is needed because we can't assume that our readers already known that it's a series of works driving what one solo instrument can do to extremes. Rather drop the duration and let the readers be surprised why we don't mention it. The combination of classical cello and Asian drumming in one person is unusual and should come out.

* ... that Sequenza XIV was composed by Luciano Berio in 2002 for Rohan de Saram's cello playing and traditional Kandyan drumming?

People able to read Roman letters will know from the title that it is No. 14. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt and AirshipJungleman29: I think it's possible to have a more concisely worded hook that captures the spirit of ALT0a. Please allow me a couple of hours to give it a try. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ALT0c: ... that cellist Rohan de Saram's background as a geta bera drummer inspired Luciano Berio's Sequenza XIV? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fine with me --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]