Talk:Sepp Uhlmann

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Lugnuts vs johayek–should it be "Sepp Uhlmann" or "Josef Uhlmann" as according to his entry on sports-reference.com?

As per [German Fencing Championship 1937], [de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhlmann], and [de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uhlmann_Pac-Systeme] (a company he founded) he definitely is Josef Uhlmann. Sepp is a short form of Josef. I hope you can agree to that, and therefore I assume it is reasonable, if you are going to leave my respective change unreverted. Best regards.--johayek (talk) 22:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. As per your talkpage, other language Wikis don't meet WP:RS. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 07:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sepp (given name): "When borne by Upper German-speaking people, it is often a nickname for Josef or other names related to Joseph." Do you respect this? I am sorry, I should have "played by the rules" from the beginning. Do you want to re-introduce and add "nickname = Sepp" yourself?! Further discussion should take place here, right?!--johayek (talk) 13:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, that's just another source from Wikipedia. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 14:11, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"Again" is not correct, this time it is en.WP – don't you trust it? Instead of admitting, that you were just a little wrong from the beginning, and that you know better in the meantime, you drive it even further and also keep doing silly things like unserious reverts, obviously disrupting smooth Wikipedia operation yourself. Don't you want to think it over through the night and give in to better reasons, before your 'name' takes infamous harm? Don't behave like an immature, Lugnuts!--johayek (talk) 19:39, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Stop right there with the personal attacks. YOU need to supply reliable sources for the changes you're making. Using an existing WP article as a source is not acceptable. Keep it up, and you faced being blocked for disruptive editing. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 20:18, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Jack is a short-form of John in English, agreed? But how would you prove that?

Sepp is a short-form of Josef in German. You don't agree to that. It is in fact difficult to prove, if most primary sources are in a language foreign to you, right?

What do you suggest? Come on, would you please be constructive! --johayek (talk) 15:55, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't need to prove anything. The burden is with you. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 19:47, 11 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The article's one and only reference itself says, his full name is Josef "Sepp" Uhlmann. I don't know, what your education is, but you probably agree that double-quotes around Sepp indicate that Sepp is rather his nickname then his middlename. I wonder, why this article should not use his proper full name as its title.johayek (talk) 01:47, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

User:Lugnuts accepts a lot of changes towards renaming this article to the true full name of this person (Josef "Sepp Uhlmann) including a #REDIRECT, but not the renaming itself, in fact he even reversed it and threatened me in the most violent Wikipedian way. I wonder, what it needs for him to accept that final little step. I want to see this transaction finalized rather sooner than later. johayek (talk) 13:28, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find any WP:RS? No, so shut up. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 15:38, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello from Germany! As stated in http://www.sports-reference.com/olympics/athletes/uh/sepp-uhlmann-1.html, his name is Josef, Sepp is his nickname. If you look at the pages of the company he founded in 1948, http://www.uhlmann.de/uhlmann-group-pharma-verpackungsmaschinen/historie-60-jahre-uhlmann.html, his name is only written Josef Uhlmann without the nickname. -- Köllner (talk) 12:28, 24 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Uhlmann's Name can also be found correctly written as "Josef" in "Andreas Schirmer (Hrsg.): En Garde! Allez! Touchez! 100 Jahre Fechten in Deutschland - Eine Erfolgsgeschichte, Meyer & Meyer Verlag, Aachen 2012. Seite 218ff.". In questions about German fencing history, Andreas Schirmer is for sure more reliable than sports-reference. But if you prefer bot-like articles which do nothing more than copy-paste databases, please don´t change anything. A few month ago, I wanted to translate some of my articles about german fencing history in english. After reading this discussionb, I think this is a waste of time. best regards -- RobNbaby (talk) 06:51, 17 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]