Talk:Seoul Capital Area

I don't think 22 million commuters out of 27 million people is credible. What about children, retired people, non-working women, and the unemployed. Not to mention that there must be some people who work close to home. CalJW 06:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Article name

I'm not sure that this is the best name for this article. There are various other "Capital Metro Areas" in the world (I live in one of them, Washington DC Metro), and to arbitrarily assign one as the CMA is misleading. Perhaps the article should be renamed to Seoul National Capital Area or something like that, with a list of capital areas at this name.--Mitsukai 19:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

i agree. i would support a merger with Seoul. Appleby 21:36, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

• Article renamed.--み使い Mitsukai 04:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The official name used by the Korean government is the "Seoul Metropolitan Area". An excerpt from the National Atlas of Korea: "The Seoul Metropolitan Area refers to the administrative districts of Seoul Special City, Incheon Metropolitan City, and Gyeonggi-do."

I do not know who decided to call this article "Seoul Capital Area", but I think continuing to use this name when an official terminology has existed for all this time will only be worse off. The Wandering Q (talk) 04:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Merger

I don't get it. Seoul is a city; the Sudogwon is a metropolitan area. If Seoul were a stub, I could understand this. But it's nearly of a size to have its sections spun off, and this article is potentially just as big. -- Visviva 13:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

if you look at other National Capital Region examples, the other analogous articles either go to the main city article, or to a very short article basically listing the cities within the capital area. here, we have two long articles with mostly overlapping content. to prevent the duplication/branching, i think either 1. this page should redirect to Seoul, which should a a brief paragraph about the boundaries of the capital area, or 2. this article should be cleaned up, with content belonging in Seoul integrated there. Appleby 15:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Map request

this is what i came here to disscuss. 99.155.212.38 (talk) 21:51, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Use of "Sudogwan"

I changed all mentions of Sudogwan (except at the top) to "capital area". This is the English Wikipedia, and the articles are written in English. "Sudogwan", regardless of if it's written in Hangul or a Latin script, is a Korean word, not an English one, and there is a English equivalent. I see this a lot in Korea, transliterating instead of actually translating. Otebig 08:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Removed essay on biking

I removed the following text dump from the article. Adding it here in case someone wants to rehabilitate parts of it. Baeksu (talk) 07:23, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Cycling in Seoul History

At present commuting on the road in Seoul is abysmal due to a lack of cycle lanes and space, a dominant car culture, a lack of education about cyclists and some pretty dangerous driving by cycle ignorant buses and motorists. Cars and buses often underestimate the speed of oncoming cyclists and as a result cyclists are put in danger because motor vehicles move in front of cyclists.

In Seoul cycles are mainly a form of transport within local areas (for students to and from campus, for older people to the shops, and as small trade vehicles in and around major markets), but cars and buses dominate the roads.

Riding greater distances or even off-road for pleasure, exercising, or training for cycle races is sadly, mostly limited to river cycle paths, which until the present have been cult to access and smoggy as they were developed as afterthoughts alongside major arterial freeways with masses of motor vehicles. Seoul has a lot of streams and rivers, which descend from the Bukhan National park directly to the North of the city.

In the country’s rush to develop its capital into a modern industrial city many of these streams and rivers became concrete culverts full of filthy industrial run-off and chemical and human waste. The Han, a major river that runs East to West through Seoul is also in a sad state. It is where all the abovementioned streams end up and as well as being polluted, is hard to access.

"Historically modernization and industrialization always takes place by water...Seoul has a great resource (in the Han) but the relationship between the city and the river has become distorted" says Lee Jewon, director of a project to restore the Han. According to Lee, products of Seoul's rapid industrial growth are manifested in concrete barriers along the river, apartments and roads, which block access.

Lee also mentions that the Han lacks any 'waterfronts' for people to enjoy, as neighbourhoods face inwards away from the river. A good example of this is the way that many apartment blocks that border on massive roads running alongside the Han are fenced in with noise reducing walls. The reappropriation of these streams and rivers as greener public parks and cycle ways is the method local government has seized upon to find space for recreation and better alternative transportation.

Future

The Korea Times reports that the Seoul Metropolitan Government plans to construct bicycle-only lanes totalling 207 kilometres by 2012 in an effort to ‘meet growing demands for a safer environment for riders’:

"A city cannot effectively cope with global warming issues and traffic congestion if people commute only by car…We will develop Seoul into a city where citizens can commute by bicycle." Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon.

Sexify word press lists at least 10 benefits of cycling as transportatoin with this being the best: “A motorist is less likely to collide with a person walking and bicycling if more people walk or bicycle. Policies that increase the numbers of people walking and bicycling appear to be an effective route to improving the safety of people walking and bicycling.” – British Medical Journal.

One way to help riders gain access to pleasant river cycle ways would be to allow riders to take their bikes on the subway. There is some evidence (Korea Herald 29.6.09) to show this idea is currently being debated: Park Si Soo reported in the Korea Times that a city official said "From October, a total of 16 trains, two from each line, will run with two bike-only cars, ( On Sunday only)"It will be available on weekdays from April next year. "If the plan is confirmed, stations in Seoul will widen their entrances and install bike-only lifts linking gateways and platforms, the official said.

Best places to ride

Smooth

One stretch already established is the Jungangchon stream which runs North –South from Uijeongbu to the Han. It is hemmed in by major roads, but the surface is in good condition and provides one point of access into the city via the Eastern most part of the Cheongye Chon tributary. For more information regarding these streams see the wiki link on the right side of this page.

Rough

Off road enthusiasts are encouraged to head for Namhansanseong South East of Seoul. This area is yet to be experienced by the author, though plans are in place. According to Kevin Silverson as cited in Hay (2009), this is the premier mountain biking area close to Seoul. See Mountain Bike Seoul in the links section for more info.

References

Hay, Rob 'The Filthies' Groove Korea Issue 31 May '09 p.54 Jackson, Ben ‘Riding in Style and Comfort (ii)’ Seoul Selection July 2009 p.18. Kim Tae-Jong ‘Going “Road-Diet” for Bike Riding Oct. 23 2008 The Korea Times accessed 7.10.09. Koehler, Robert quoting Lee Jewon in'Bring the River Back to the People' Seoul Selection July 2009 p.56-57. Park Si-soo 'Bicycle-Only Subway Cars Planned' The Korea Times 06-28-09 accessed 7.13.09 Sexify Word Press ' Benefits of Bikes for towns and local government' accessed 7.10.09

Bundang is not city

Major Cities in Bundang is incorrect

Bundang is ward of Seongnam

plz modify, Bundang -> Anyang City

thanks

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Cite sources

I blanked the history section, was completely uncited. A good chunk of it had flowery writing too.

Please stop adding huge chunks of text without citing anything. Nobody wants to go and exhaustively cite all the claims you make. Those huge chunks often stay uncited for like an entire decade. It makes articles look worse seeing the huge "needs more sources" templates all over the place on Korea-related articles toobigtokale (talk) 08:38, 20 August 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 29 December 2024

Seoul Capital Area → Seoul Metropolitan Area – Official name as per the National Atlas of Korea III 2021 by the National Geography Information Institute, Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport. TheInfernoX (talk) 14:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Toadspike [Talk] 10:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support (I contested the technical request.) The area has several names; the current title and its corresponding Hangul/Hanja (Sudogwon; 수도권; 首都圈) uses the term "capital", so I doubt "Seoul Capital Area" is an entirely made up term. The rationale from TheInfernoX is one of WP:OFFICIALNAME, when we really need further evidence from sources to establish that "Seoul Metropolitan Area" is the WP:COMMONNAME of this region. To start, this Ngrams graph clearly shows that "Seoul Metropolitan Area" is more prevalent in Google Books. Some input from editors familiar with Korea would be very helpful. Toadspike [Talk] 10:30, 29 December 2024 (UTC)