Talk:Seeing Sounds/GA1

GA Review

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Hi, I am reviewing this article for GA. In general it looks like a good article. There are some problems with the prose that need fixing. Also, perhaps an over dependence on quotations, as it becomes confusing at times figuring out what is quoted and what is not. I have made some initial comments below and may add more later. —Mattisse (Talk) 16:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments

• "It received generally favorable reviews, with critics lauding the production of the album." - This statement in the lead does not seem to be supported in the "Release and reception" section. The reviews seem more mixed than the lead acknowledges.

  Changed to "mixed reviews". DiverseMentality 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• "After touring in promotion of their previous album, Fly or Die, N.E.R.D felt the record was too consistent." - which record? Need some clarification and context here.

  Reworded. DiverseMentality 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• "weren't strong enough" - needs ref

  It's backed up by referenced three.

• "a lot of energy" - needs ref

  Same as above. DiverseMentality 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• "Shay Haley, a member of the band, explained that the past to albums were "emotional" and they "brought that out, that energy combined with the emotion", but did not conceive a direction for this album." - not clear - again it needs some context

  Fixed, hopefully it's more understandable. DiverseMentality 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• "They intended two things for the album" - not clear who "they" is

  Fixed. DiverseMentality 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Long quotations in second para under "Conception" - long quotes should be in a quote or blockquotes. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Quotations

  Added blockquote. DiverseMentality 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• Ref 11 - why does BBC Ice Cream wikilink to Billionaire Boys Club (clothing)?

—Mattisse (Talk) 16:26, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• BBC Ice Cream redirects to the above link. DiverseMentality 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

  But is that a meaningful link, for the purposes of this article? —Mattisse (Talk) 19:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

  I suppose it's not too relevant; I've delinked it.DiverseMentality 21:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• I think there are too many quotations in the article and that it would improve the article if you put some of them in your own words.

—Mattisse (Talk) 20:57, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• I rewrote a few things. If you feel there are still too many quotes, let me know. DiverseMentality 21:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

• I think you need to rewrite more of the quotations. The meaning of the quotations is unclear. I went back and read some of your sources and found that the meaning of the quotation in the context of the source was different than the way it appears in the article. The article leaves out much of the meaning.
• The article fails to put the band into a musical context i.e. in terms of time, musical style, etc. Without knowing what type of music they play, on the musical spectrum, there is no framework in which to place the quotations. All by itself, using Synesthesia as a theme is not original. You should show how it is original for this band, on this album, for this musical genre.

—Mattisse (Talk) 18:15, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I've reduced more quotes and plan to work on the second issue raised above later on in the day. DiverseMentality 18:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I scavenged through the end of Google and added as much information as possible. DiverseMentality 21:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment

• That is a big improvement! Just a couple of questions:

• "which he assumed everyone experienced while listening to music" - If he assumed everyone experienced synesthesia while listening to music, then why does he explain it in detail?

• It would make sense for him to explain, wouldn't it? Since we don't see what he sees, he explains what he experiences. DiverseMentality 02:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

• "The European-influenced music" - what does this mean?

—Mattisse (Talk) 02:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Clarified a bit. DiverseMentality 02:43, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Final GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): Well written b (MoS): Follows MoS

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): Well referenced b (citations to reliable sources): Sources are reliable c (OR): No OR

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): Sets the context b (focused): Remains focused on subject

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias: NPOV

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Glad you stuck it out and made it better. Congratulations!

—Mattisse (Talk) 03:37, 31 January 2009 (UTC)