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Replace column heading 'Ministry' with 'Government'?

In the tables of who has served in the role, the final column is headed 'Ministry'. It contains a short description of who the Prime Minister was and how many times they had formed a government. 'Ministry' seems a funny term for this column. Would 'Government' not be better? SandJ-on-WP (talk) 20:44, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Accessibility

I'm concerned that the use of (fore example) rowspan=2 markup in the tables on this article hinders accessibility for the users of screen-reading software. @RexxS and Graham87: who understand this well, for confirmation and advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Andy: screenreaders have made improvements over the years and most up-to-date screenreaders will cope moderately well with simple rowspans. That's not to say that the rowspans don't sometimes make navigation around the table more awkward, especially in complicated cases, but it seems to be much better than it was when we first started campaigning to improve the experience for users of assistive technology. Graham will be able to give you greater detail and a flavour of how rowspans affect his browsing, I'm sure.

My advice is to encourage editors not to use rowspans (that also improves functionality by making sorting more amenable), but don't end up in an argument over the issue. Once you've explained to others how they can improve the experience for visually impaired visitors, it's then a matter for their conscience whether they are prepared to compromise on their favoured layouts to accomplish that. --RexxS (talk) 18:07, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it's fine in this case. Screen readers have gotten more accurate over the years about reporting a user's position in the table when spans are present. Graham87 05:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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