Talk:Second Kurz government

There will only be ONE ministry for sports and culture

Although User:Centrist1 thinks he knows it better, there won't be two ministries for culture and sports. Ulrike Lunacek will be a state secretary who's responsible for Arts and Culture but she will still be in the ministry for civil service, sports, arts and culture. That's how it is explained in the German article as well. There won't be two ministries for sports and culture. Only one! The president literally said today that Lunacek is a state secretary in the ministry of civil service and sports. (the name is going to be changed soon but it still will be just one ministry) --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 22:18, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The case is not about who knows better, the case is User:2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 is the only one playing "The Who Know better" game. Anyway, the user did not provide any reliable source where it said specifically that sports, arts, and culture are combined as one. I looked at the first source, the user had provided [1], no information was given about the conjoining of the two ministries. The second source was a source from YouTube [2], which is considered non-reliable according to Wikipedia. In order for your edit to be reliable, you need to provide a source like I did on the article, Second Kurz government, in order for your source to be backed as true. - Centrist1 (talk) 22:51, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Your source acutally doesn't say what you claim and in this youtube source you can hear the actual presdient of Austria confirming that you're wrong. But maybe this source is good enough for you??? The actual website of the Austrian government, which names Ulrike Lunacek as state secretary in the ministry for civil service and sports (Names of the ministries will be changed on Friday. Then it will be the ministry for civil service and sports, arts and culture.) --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 23:43, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Wow! You are finally learning how to provide reliable sources correctly for the first time. However, The YouTube source along with other sources confirm that you are wrong, not me because no article (mine or yours) say that the two ministries are conjoined together. I never said that Lunacek isn’t the Sports State Secretary, I said provide a reliable source (not youtube), you failed twice to provide it. No where in any source does it say "conjoined" or "combined" or any synonym of the word that Art/Culture and Sports are together so, it is not me that needs to reread the article, it’s you that needs to reread and as a matter my articles do prove my point that Kogler controls both ministries. - Centrist1 (talk) 23:58, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

There's not any ministry which is conjoined because a ministry for Arts and Culture did never exist and it as well will never exist. Not any source you have says that a ministry for Arts and Culture would be founded. In the First Kurz government there was a Chancellery minister for Arts and Culture. But never a ministry. Now there won't be a Chancellery minister for arts and culture because the ministry of sports will take over the responsibility for arts and culture. That's exactly how it is described in de:Bundesregierung Kurz II. Until Friday only the ministry for civil service and sports exists. Then the name is going to be changed and you don't have a single source which says that a second ministry would be founded. --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 00:09, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

You are not listening and I don’t think you are willing to. I am not arguing that what you claim is wrong. What I am arguing about is that you make an edit without providing a source, the two sources you provided say nothing about Arts and Culture being combined with Sports. I won’t revert your edit if, you provide a source that says that those two ministries are merged together, so far you failed to provide a source, if, you provide a source (not youtube), that says they will merge together, I won’t revert your edit. - Centrist1 (talk) 00:22, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

You want a source about a ministry which never existed not being merged. So who's not listening? It's normal for ministries to take over responsibilites, just like the ministry for civil service and sports does. It's not normal for any person in Austrian politics to take over two actual ministries. So it's you who'd need a source for this happening and you don't have any source which says that Kogler would take over two different ministries (and that a ministry which never existed would be founded). --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 00:27, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

You are right, one person is not listening, that person is you. I am not arguing that your edit is incorrect. I am saying, which you keep failing to understand is you need to provide a source that states that Sports and Arts/Culture are merged together, so far you failed to provide one. The reason you keep saying I haven’t provided a source, I did, I provided 6 of them, you didn’t even read one of them, so if you provide a source that says Arts and Culture will be unified with the Sports ministry, I won’t revert your edit. - Centrist1 (talk - Centrist1 (talk) 00:35, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I did read all of your six sources and not a single one of your sources says that a new ministry for culture would be founded. Most of your sources don't even mention arts and culture. This one (your own "source" in the article) says "Die Kulturagenden wandern zu den Grünen". -> This means: The Greens take over the responsibility for culture. The Greens take over "vier Ministerien" = 4 ministries [3] [4] [5] [6] You are the only one who counts five ministries for the Greens. --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 00:51, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Your still not understanding, I’m gonna make it more simpler for you, maybe you will understand, hopefully. Provide 1 source that says the agendas of Arts and Culture will be merged into the ministry of Sports. - Centrist1 (talk 01:20, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Quote one sentence in your "6 sources" which confirms that a "ministry for culture and arts" is going to be founded or accept the Wikipedia rules and remove your unsourced claim. --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I’ve said in the very beginning... Quote one sentences in any source you can possibly find that specifically states the following statement... The Art and Culture agendas will be merged within the Ministry of Sports. Wikipedia rules require that you support a claim backed by a source, your edit was reverted because you didn’t provide a source backing your claim, if you provide a source that says the agendas of Culture and Arts will be merged within the Sports ministry, I won’t revert your edit. - Centrist1 (talk 01:40, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

The only claim in the article is your claim about a ministry being founded and you don't have a source for it. So if common sense isn't used, the words "culture and art" must be completely removed until it's officialy confirmed that the name of the ministry is changed on Friday. (A "ministry for culture and arts" can never be mentioned in the article, because it is never going to be founded.) --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 01:48, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh so it looks like you just made another claim about the ministry being renamed on Friday. Please provide a source where it says it will be officially renamed on Friday, if you can provide, which is unlikely- Centrist1 (talk 02:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

It seems that you either do all of this by purpose or that you really don't get that in this moment there is only one claim in the article: Your claim about a ministry for culture and arts existing. I can prove that this is wrong at this time because the official webiste of the Austrian government says that such a ministry does not exist at this point. [7] All ministries still use their old names from the Bierlein government at this point and not a single new ministry is founded at this point. There is no ministry for culture and arts but that's exactly what you're still claiming in the article. --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 02:13, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

No, your wrong, I think you either are doing this on purpose or really don’t understand. You made two claims about the merge of two things and the renaming of the sports ministries without providing sources. Here take a look. Here read this where it says Ministry of Arts and Culture. [8] - Centrist1 (talk) 02:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

So what's the reliable source here? The official site of the Austrian government, or a site which is edited by people from the United States (They for sure know better than the actual government in Austria) Are you really sure that you know what's considered to be a reliable source here? --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 02:25, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm... let’s see a source that says ministry of Art and Culture is there, yes, yes. Now we have your governmental source. A very reliable indeed, but the catch is there is no mention of Art and Culture anywhere on it and more importantly no mention about renaming of ministries. - Centrist1 (talk 02:32, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

There's no mention about the ministry of trolling on the official Website of the Austrian government as well. You know why? Because this ministry doesn't exist too. Just like your ministry of culture doesn't exist. But I'm not sure if you already know that... --2003:C3:4F49:2A55:8D18:2ECA:85C2:E442 (talk) 02:40, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

My my, at this point I think you really don’t understand. Ministry of Trolling very interesting choice of words, it’s just the thing is, by this point you have already understood that you can’t provide 1 source to back any claim that you said. It really is a shame how you continue to dodge my questions that I repeatedly keep asking. I just provided a source to back my claim about the ministry, you still can’t provide one. Very disappointing. - Centrist1 (talk 02:46, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

"Bundesministerium für Kunst, Kultur, öffentlichen Dienst und Sport" = Ministry of Arts, Culture, Civil Service and Sports --2003:C3:4F46:F956:5C34:1DD8:95BA:B09D (talk) 20:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for finally providing a reliable source. I just don’t know why it took so long.- Centrist1 (talk 20:13, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for never having prodided any source which actually supported your wrong article versions. --2003:C3:4F46:F956:5C34:1DD8:95BA:B09D (talk) 20:33, 8 January 2020 (UTC)