Talk:Seberang Perai

City of Seberang Perai?

Recently, the Penang state government, led by Chow Kon Yeow, declared its intention of turning Seberang Perai into a city.

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However, I feel there is some ambiguity regarding Seberang Perai's status as a city. The term Seberang Perai generally refers to the mainland half of Penang. But unlike other cities, it has no well-defined urban core. Instead, Seberang Perai (as a municipality) encompasses several scattered settlements. The largest of the towns by population is Butterworth, although Bukit Mertajam is where the seat of the local government (Seberang Perai Municipal Council) is situated.

Hence, my question is as follows. For Wikipedia purposes, should
a.) Seberang Perai in its entirety be considered a city, or
b.) Butterworth be considered as being granted city status on the virtue of it being the largest town, or
c.) the city status be accorded to Bukit Mertajam as the seat of the local government?

Personally speaking, I prefer option (b) (that Butterworth is the central city within Seberang Perai), as Butterworth has been displayed more prominently in maps of the region compared to either Seberang Perai or Bukit Mertajam. But I would leave it to the other Wikipedia editors. I hope to be able to come to a consensus with other Malaysian Wikipedia editors on whether to recognise Seberang Perai as a city. Vnonymous (talk) 15:02, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@Vnonymous:, as a resident in Seberang Perai, I think it can be a city as it can consider as County-level city.. Using Butterworth and Bukit Mertajam are not suitable as those towns are totally different and perhaps they can split MPSP into two local government as MPSP is the most largest LC in Malaysia and 21 assemblymen within the jurisdiction area angys (Talk Talk) 15:09, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@Molecule Extraction:, you are welcome to discuss. angys (Talk Talk) 15:09, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

@*angys*: So a county-level city... or a local government area would be more suitable to describe Seberang Perai (when it is granted city status)? Do note that there is no specific settlement by the name of Seberang Perai to begin with (but there are settlements by the name of Butterworth and Bukit Mertajam).

Perhaps describing Seberang Perai as a local government area would be more suitable since the largest population centre and the administrative centre are at two different places (unlike other cities, eg KL, Penang Island, JB, KK, Kuching, etc, where the administrative centre is usually also the main population centre). Just my two cents, though. Vnonymous (talk) 15:35, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, Seberang Perai is quite different, should do a definition for it in that article, LGA also can be accept. angys (Talk Talk) 16:53, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

That will be a good plan to upgrade its status into a city but as Vnonymous had mentioned earlier that there is no special zone/city centre designated for a new city named as Seberang Perai City as the capital of Seberang Perai, then it is not yet a city at least for now. Basically I will wait for a final decision from the government until they really proceed with the idea as been did towards Iskandar Puteri last year [1]. Molecule Extraction (talk) 05:10, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Points taken. Perhaps the problem lies in the nomenclature too, seeing that Seberang Perai refers to the wider geographic area instead of a specific settlement. Hence the lack of a well-defined city centre. Not sure if the urban planning authorities did consider this anomaly. Vnonymous (talk) 05:44, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Also explain "Seberang'

Etymology: also explain "Seberang'. Jidanni (talk) 13:45, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Seberang Perai/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: HundenvonPenang (talk · contribs) 03:55, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Kimikel (talk · contribs) 03:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I am going to review this article as part of the October GA backlog drive. I should be done within a week or so. Kimikel (talk) 03:09, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Kimikel! Glad this review is finally kicking off

Will be making the necessary amendments as you go. hundenvonPG (talk) 04:33, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@HundenvonPenang: Please see my review below. For an article of this size, the prose is relatively error-free; there are, however, some issues with the citations that will need to be rectified before this review can be closed. Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns regarding my suggestions, thank you! Kimikel (talk) 03:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback Kimikel. As much as possible, I've addressed the points below and amendments have been made. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

@HundenvonPenang: I appreciate your prompt, quality work. Considering the length of the article, this was a very easy review; thank you for that. I've gone through the article myself and I don't see anything left to fix. As such, I am going to close this review as a pass. Thank you for all your work and congratulations! Kimikel (talk) 02:54, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Well-written

British rule

• "in exchange of" > in exchange for
  •  Fixed hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Governance and politics

• "Local government elections, which had been in place from 1961, were suspended following the Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation and have not been reinstated since." > Since that confrontation ended only five years after 1961, it seems like it would be better to phrase the sentence something like: "Local government elections were put in place in 1961, but were suspended due to the Indonesia–Malaysia confrontation and have not been reinstated since."
  •  Fixed Paraphrased as per recommendation. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• "The mayor of Seberang Perai since 2024" > As of June 2024, the mayor of Seberang Perai is
  •  Fixed hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• It's odd that "γ" comes before "β" in the text
  •  Fixed Thanks for pointing this out. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• "establishing a total of 20 police stations throughout the city as of 2022" > "establishing" makes it sound like they just recently opened them, maybe "maintaining" would be better
  •  Fixed Rephrased likewise.hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Demographics

• "decades since Malaya's independence" > decades following Malay's independence
  •  Fixed Rephrased hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• "was the majority ethnic" > were the majority ethnic
  •  Fixed Amended hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• "agriculture had promoted" > agriculture promoted
  •  Fixed Amended hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• "majority at areas like" > majority in areas such as
  •  Fixed Rephrased hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Economy

• "major produces" > major crops
  •  Fixed Rephrased hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Transportation

• "The commercial components of Penang Sentral were under construction as of 2020." > any way this can be updated?
  •  Fixed The progress of Penang Sentral is somewhat obscure. Construction supposedly began in 2020 for its second phase, with more offices and other commercial components in the pipeline, but the whole development has faced numerous delays. Suffice to say that only its primary component, the transport hub, is operational. Removed sentence on the commercial components. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• "has significantly improved" > significantly improved
  •  Fixed Amended hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Utilities

• "have replaced 27,908" > planned to replace 27,908
  •  Fixed Rephrased hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

International relations

• "This list is based on information from the Malaysian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, unless otherwise cited." > since there are no other citations, this sentence is unnecessary
  •  Fixed Removed sentence hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Notable people

• "personalities including:" > personalities, including:
  •  Fixed

Verifiable

• A notable reoccurring issue with the sourcing of this article is that many of the books and journals cited lack specific page numbers. Please add page numbers where the information cited can be found wherever at all possible. Additionally, there are multiple 404 (page not found errors) with some of the links, so please try to update some of those where possible.
  •  Fixed 404 links replaced and page numbers are added. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• "Opened in 2014, the Second Penang Bridge spans 24 km (15 mi) between Batu Kawan and Batu Maung on the island." > citation needed
  •  Fixed Added citation hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Spot check

1. 153: 404 error

 Fixed Replaced citation hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

1. 146: Verified
2. 91: Verified
3. 15: 404 error

 Fixed Fixed citation hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

1. 159: Verified

Broad

• Would be nice to explain what "Seberang" means in etymology
  •  Fixed Added a brief sentence and citation on the meaning of "seberang". hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• I feel as though the article is lacking at least a very brief mention of crime in the city, specifically how prevalent/rare it is and what kinds of crime is common
  • As far as I could tell, apart from the ocassional news reports on crime rates within a section of Seberang Perai ([2], [3]), there isn't much to expand on regarding crime; detailed statistics of crime in the city are scarce. hundenvonPG (talk) 14:27, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Stable

• Stable

Neutral

• Neutral

Illustrated

• Images all are properly tagged and usable, contribute to the article, and have fine captions

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.