Talk:Sebastian Kurz

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Kinder Geld - STOP

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Nicht mehr Kindergeld fúr slowakische oder auslandische Frauen. Die Slowakerinen haben genug Geld auch in der Slowakei, die lassen kleine Kindern zu Hause alleine und arbeiten als Pflegerinen in Osterreich. Sie brauchen das sicher nicht. Mehrere machen diese Arbeit nur fúr diese Kindergeld und Bonusse von Finanzamt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.234.228 (talk) 11:48, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Google's translation: No more child benefit for Slovak or foreign women. The Slovaks also have enough money in Slovakia, they leave small children alone at home and work as nurses in Austria. You certainly do not need that. Several do this work only for these child benefits and bonuses of tax office. I'm not sure what the request is. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 14:13, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is no request. It's a rant against evil Slavic women who come to Austria to milk the place for welfare money. It's about as coherent and articulate as the Google translation makes it out to be. Kramler (talk) 16:13, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Danube Swabian grandma

Any reference on the ethnic background of his grandma? In the sources cites she is described as Hungarian, not German. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.107.72.134 (talk) 18:04, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Danube Swabian is a term that encompasses a relatively large group of peoples, including German-speaking Hungarians. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 23:09, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was not looking for a definition, but a source for Kurz's grandma's ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.107.72.134 (talk) 20:24, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Need to know his religion background. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aigrema2 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The lead

It seems to me that the lad section is much too long, and contains lots of material that should be moved down to later sections. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section.

--Austrian (talk) 22:22, 3 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done DonSpencer1 (talk) 03:54, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lifting the writing style in this article

I visited this article for the first time yesterday. A seriously interesting subject. However, I noticed a few phrases that felt odd. Not wrong, but not in line with the Manual of Style. I understand we should be aiming for Plain English. Below are some phrases that feel a little awkward. And some suggested alternatives.

Existing text	Suggested alternative
"head diplomat"	top diplomat
"Kurz participated as the top candidate of his party"	Kurz led his party into the election
"Kurz passed many changes and reforms but suffered multiple scandals."	The Kurz government introduced several reforms, even as it suffered a number of scandals.

If anyone has better ideas — feel free to suggest them! I'd like to see the article flow a little more naturally. The Little Platoon (talk) 20:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Colonestarrice: I can see you've been highly involved in this article - what are your thoughts on making the English a little more readable?The Little Platoon (talk) 21:10, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support. You didn't have to start a new talk page discussion for that. Your suggestions are just grammatical overhauls and not controversial, major content changes. I just ask you to avoid the use of semicolons as well as en and em dashes in the lead. Colonestarrice (talk) 02:01, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Understood @Colonestarrice: will proceed along these lines.The Little Platoon (talk) 20:11, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Need material on COVID-19

The Kurz government is noteworthy for its strong and early response to COVID-19. I invite editors to make contributions on the topic. The Little Platoon (talk) 23:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kurz corruption probe

I just created Kurz corruption probe as main article for the ongoing events. If anyone is interested in expanding the content, help would be appreciated! LenaAvrelia (talk) 20:22, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LenaAvrelia: I commend your spirit, but I suggest you don't actually waste time on such things. This is the EN WP, nobody here cares about Austria and therefore it's very likely that nobody is going to assist. Colonestarrice (talk) 21:27, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Shushugah (talk · contribs) 22:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Initial review

Immediately while reading the lede, I was unclear if I was reading the lede or already beginning the article. It's too long and does not adequately summarize the most important points, for example it continues with his personal life, and yet immediately after is another section on his personal life. I believe the lede can be shortened to 1-2 paragraphs maximum. It's only all the way in the bottom, that I even learn where Thiel is currently working (With Thiel Capital, something that likely should be in the lede).

Some sections like Sebastian Kurz#Cabinet composition could be removed entirely, as they don't relate to Sebastian Kurz as a person, but merely his administration.

References

With 300 references, and less than 20 of them in English, it will take some time to properly verify the references especially on more contentious points. So far though, looking at the newspapers sourced, it's primarily reliable and secondary German/Austrian newspapers. The number of citations per claim is sometimes more than 4-5, which makes it unclear if they're all necessary or just padding.

In some cases, unreliable sources from BILD are used along with 3-4 other sources, for example in Kurz' stepping down in 2021 and should be removed per Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Bild, but with 4-5 other sources, it makes it unclear what specific claim each source is making. For example the latest claim about Kurz joining Peter Thiel is a simple claim, with a mixture of English and German references. In this case, a single reference from Reuters would have been sufficient.

This is not a pass yet, but with some work and tightening up layout/sourcing/focus it will be a good article. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 22:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to review this. Note that I'm still "actively" (trying) to improve the wording and grammar of some sections. I had hoped that I would be done with that before the review began so that the article would be mostly stable but unfortunately... I was too lazy.

Kurz working for Thiel Capital barely received any news coverage. It is not just common but convention for former chancellors or other high-ranking Austrian politicians to be invited by companies to serve on their board or in some managerial position. So I don't really think it's worth a mention in the lead (for now at least).

It's true that the cabinet composition sections in their current shape are rather suboptimal and in need of change. Regardless, cabinet compositions are immensely important as the office of the chancellor is powerless and the incumbent must exercise their de facto powers through the ministers. Hence, the chancellor as a person, is dependent on their ministers. Furthermore, his cabinets were historically exceptional in multiple ways, which personally defined him in the eye of the public too. Anyways, I'm gonna try to improve them nevertheless and highlight their significance in his political career. Colonestarrice (talk) 23:26, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

After taking a look at Peter Thiel (which I didn't know before), giving the fact that Kurz is working for him a mention in the lead does seem wise. Colonestarrice (talk) 23:35, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Removed all Bild sources. Colonestarrice (talk) 23:45, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead trimmed, his new job is now mentioned in the lead, and all post-politics section refs except for Reuters have been removed. Colonestarrice (talk) 00:09, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cabinet composition sections reworked; their significance in his political career is now clearer and I removed the ministers not nominated by Kurz. Colonestarrice (talk) 00:41, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Colonestarrice nice work! It's really moving forward! I fixed some obvious typos/formatting inconsistencies myself and I'll wait a few more days, but I think this article is on the right track! There are numerous places where German sources could be replaced by existing English sources still.

I still think it focuses too much on broad Austrian politics at times, when a shorter/summary style of Sebastian Kurz' actions/connections to a topic would help, e.g see last edit I made. In some cases/topics, a positions section would be useful to adequately summarize his views/actions over the years, for example on Islam(aphobia), integration, security etc.. keep up the good work! I think within a week this will be GA ready. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:43, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Colonestarrice congratulations on the good article status and thank you for incorporating my feedback and continuously improving the article! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I was just about the implement your last requests. I think having a section that summarizes his Islam-related policies and views is a very good idea. Anyways, thanks a lot. Colonestarrice (talk) 15:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Shadow (2021)

The section includes the following intro:

Since Kurz' resignation as chancellor, news outlets, politicians, political analysts, and the general public have referred to him as a "shadow chancellor" who continues to be de facto head of government, although Kurz himself has disavowed that. As leader of the senior party of the governing coalition cabinet, Kurz remains the driving force when it comes to legislation; he indirectly retains control over the most important government ministries, as they are headed by his partisan appointees, who have continuously voiced their unwavering fidelity. As leader of the largest parliamentary group, Kurz can also introduce a motion of no confidence targeting individual members of cabinet or the entire cabinet at any time.

Here present tense is used. Does it mean that he does still have this power? Or should these sentences be rewritten in past tense. Egeymi (talk) 17:03, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]