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Wern't Scream I II and III part of a pre-written triolgy?

Kevin Williamson included a 15 page outline for 2 and 3 when he sold the script to 1. He said he wanted it to be the "Star Wars" of horror. Williamson wrote 2, but 3 was written by someone else. Supposedly, only the opening and closing scenes were based on Williamson's original outline. RevRaven 08:35 30 September 2005 (UTC)

Wait a second, the ending of that plot is all wrong. chronologically, I mean. Can't remember precise details, maybe someone who just watched the movie could patch it up?

I'm not ecstatic about such a detailed plot description anyway. The JPS 07:25, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup

I tried to clean up the mess of the person who does not know what punctuation is. However, I'm not certain on plot points of this movie, so hopefully someone more familiar with it will check it out. Sarpedon Achilles 19:42, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

The Rules

I've just added a "Rules" section to each movie of the trilogy, paraphrasing the rules as stated in each movie rather than using direct quotes. KickAir8P~ 20:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

144.136.128.193

Removed images without giving reason. Mikereichold 03:16, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Deaths

Are we keeping this section, as added by anon? If so, it needs tidying. The JPS 14:28, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Possibly libelous "trivia":

  • 2000 A youth aged 15, who said he was obsessed by Scream wore the mask while stabbing his sleeping parents to death in France. [citation needed]
  • 1999 Thirty-four violent films, including Scream, were found in the rooms of two male college students at Hadlow, Kent, UK who stabbed a friend to death, dismembered his body and burnt it. The boys identified Scream as one of the main influences behind the event.[citation needed]

I find it unlikely that acts of such violence were (admittedly by the murderers in question) inspired by a film as tame as this, especially considering it's mostly recognised as a dark comedy. These additions were made by the same anon. user without citations, and I've never heard anything relating to this about this particular film. Possibly someone with an anti-horror/violence or pro-censorship agenda using Wikipedia to further their arguments. Should they be kept? --Switch 12:43, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Legacy Section

i'm going to rearrange the legacy section a bit as it seems to make out that films like I Know What You Did Last Summer and Cherry Falls were parodies or sequels... its just a bit messy the way it is now. --timeheater 08:00, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Drew Barrymore

I believe that Scream had a huge part in reinvigorating Drew Barrymore's career.... Shouldn't that be noted in the article? (Note: I unfortunately don't recall WHERE it was said.) SKS2K6 09:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

The "deaths" section really needs to be reformatted - its manner is very unencyclopedic. 68.14.79.31 02:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Eek, just noticed it. I've removed it: it was hideous. The who article needs clean up, with references, and keeping that Trivia section down. It is still attracting anons treating this like a fan site. The JPStalk to me 17:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


Scream 2 Picture

Why is there a Scream 2 picture on the wiki for the first one? It shows the costume, but there are many pictures from the first one that can be used. Lemmy12 17:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Another Death List!

It looks as if someone has added a death list to the article. I think it should be deleted because it has no encyclopedic value and the deaths are described in the "Detailed plot" section. How does everyone feel about this? Who else thinks it should be deleted? AquafireGal 10:28 23rd February 2007.

I absolutely agree, with reference to a recent AFD discussion. The JPStalk to me 09:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Tatum Picture

Somebody has seemed to have inserted an image into the plot of when Tatum is being liften with the automatic garage door. Is it of any good use, should it be deleted? AquafireGal 23:39 23rd March 2007 (UTC).

It's OK -- though it should have been cropped to remove the black bars. As a genuine screenshot it is preferable to the one of Gale Weathers, which is inaccurately tagged and has poor sourcing -- it is that which should be deleted. The JPStalk to me 10:19, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Characters

I was thinking perhaps we could add a section about the characters featured in the film into the article. Anybody think this is not a good idea? If not then I shall do it.AquafireGal 08:51, 10th March 2007 (UTC).

No rejections? None at all? OK then shall get right on it. Note: Please feel free to edit them later on. Thank you AquafireGal 16:11, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I always felt that Stu wasn't exactly insane - I mean, Billy sure was, but Stu was just so completely pathetic, you almost felt sorry for him. Almost. Harley Quinn hyenaholic 20:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, so would you like to edit it to your satisfaction? AquafireGal 11:32, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Remember to avoid original research, which includes interpretation. It would be incredible helpful to attribute these claims to a reliable source. The JPStalk to me 14:53, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Apologies for the edit conflict

I had already described what I had done on cleanup page and didn't catch the conflict. Seems we are in agreement in separating true synopsis from what I believe is a treatment. Hope no offense taken, didn't touch "detailed" editing, only actual "synopsis"Joevanisland 18:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Plot Summary

The plot summary is very disjointed and unbalanced. 4/5 of it spends time dealing with the last 20 minutes of the movie. It's like a brief synopsis of the rising action, and then a play-by-play of the ending. Problem? Arius Maximus 14:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed and caught my eye for this too. It's a full original narrative, not at all a plot synopsis, and in fact is full of the original author's personal descriptions of internal character feelings, as well as descriptive facial expressions, and so on. Almost fanfic, imho.Joevanisland 18:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I've just tried to cut it down: removed some quotations, adjectives and relatively minor actions. The JPStalk to me 18:42, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
See below; I didn't mean to be rude. I only did work on the synopsis. Nice job cutting out a lot of words on the "detailed"!Joevanisland 18:57, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Further, your edits have significantly improved the whole article. Fixing no link or explanation in treatment about who Sidney is, and referencing the Munch connection transformed it imho to a much more encylopedic tone. I hope you continue.Joevanisland 19:02, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

References of other horror films question

I was thinking that we could add information to the films that are referenced in the film by writing a little sentence next to the film in the list, i.e:

And so on. Any thoughts? AquafireGal 15:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I think there should be some context to justify thee section, rather than a list. The JPStalk to me 15:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
OK, what we NEED to add when rewriting this section is references to RS! I don't think we need to write up and include every reference to a film. The JPStalk to me 12:19, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 19:44, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Soundtrack

The links for "Youth Of America" and "Birdbrain" don't direct to the song and band that are used in the film, but to two completely unrelated articles. There aren't any articles that exist for the song and band, so shouldn't we edit the page and delete the links until the articles have been created? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MicFiend13 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 26 October 2007 (UTC)


Link To Trilogy Page

Do we think there should be a link to the trilogy page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Scream_trilogy in the summary? Lukeyboyuk (talk) 01:00, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Winkler

Is it worth noting that Henry Winkler's role was also uncreditted? Also, anyone know why? --TimothyJacobson (talk) 03:02, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

An odd place to put a new post! It's convention to post a new topic at the bottom of the page. The Winkler point sounds trivial. Unless you have a reliable source that makes it interesting, then leave it out. The JPStalk to me 08:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
As the Wiki page mentions that Linda Blair's role was uncreditted (ditto Dane Farwell), I think it would be sensible to mention that Winkler was also uncreditted. Likewise, Wes Craven's role as the janitor was also uncreditted--TimothyJacobson (talk) 20:28, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that she was uncredited is the focus of that sentence. The topic of that sentence is that Linda Blair is in the film, not that she is uncredited. As long as Winkler appearance is mentioned, that is sufficient. The JPStalk to me 22:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Didn't see anything on this

So there I was reading my morning blogs when I stumbled on this article (which has some stuff pertaining to other films as well). I couldn't find anything on wiki about Ashley Murray but I throw it out there in case it's something that has merit either in this particular article (for which I would assume we'd need other sources talking about the other murders committed by crazy people who happened to see this flick) or some other article on the site. Enjoy or not as you see fit. Millahnna (mouse)talk 14:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Here is a BBC article about it. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:32, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Shiny. What kind of a section would this go under? I'm wracking my brains trying to think of some other movie/tv show that has inspired real life crazy people to be crazier (I know I've read one on here somewhere) but I can't think of anything specific. I guess it would go under reception somewhere? Millahnna (mouse)talk 14:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
We could start a "Cultural impact" section. I'm pretty sure that this film popularized the mask for Halloween. We could start a section with that detail, detail about this, and other such impacts. Erik (talk | contribs) 14:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Of course. Man I'm slow today. I'll do some googling over the next few days and see what else I can turn up. Millahnna (mouse)talk 15:49, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Input

This goes MUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCH faster when you already have all the research from another article. I need to sort the sources out, I've used one a lot too much when I know I have others, just wanted it to get finished. Input please Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:31, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

And if you know anything about the films cinematography, that would be handy Darkwarriorblake (talk) 00:34, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

DVDs in 1996?

It seems like a bit of an anachronism to be talking about "the influx of straight-to-DVD titles" in the horror genre preceding 'Scream.' DVDs were not in wide distribution in 1996, so wouldn't "straight-to-VHS" or the more ambiguous "straight-to-video" be more accurate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.35.79.53 (talk) 02:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Fair point, I will have gotten confused while writing it all, thanks for pointing it out.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 12:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Cast section and others

I don't think the cast section matches up well with WP:MOSFILMS#Cast. It kind of discourages simply listing the cast with nothing but plot info next to their names.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:35, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Well that's what casting is for mainly, I used Aliens (film) as a template and most seemed to follow suit when I looked.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I might suggest rolling the Casting information into the Cast section, as ideally I believe the Cast section is supposed to focus on the actors, not the characters in any caes. Doniago (talk) 19:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
That's how it was but following peer review it was suggest to be as it is now. We will see what the GA reviewer has to say about it Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:50, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Not to discount the peer review, but Ruhrfisch (to my knowledge) does not have a lot of experience working directly with film articles. Just looking at their contributions indicates that alone. That isn't to say they are not a great reviewer of articles, just that they probably are not terribly familiar with WP:MOSFILM except maybe at a glance. Aliens was promoted to GA status 3 years ago, and even then it doesn't appear that people were following the MOS very closely during the review as it pretty much says the same thing it does today. My point is merely that anyone that reads the plot is going to know who Billy, Sydney, Gale, etc. are. So, having a cast list that basically restates what is in the infobox and the plot section seems a bit redundant. That is why, especially with horror films because they have smaller casts generally, a basic list is unnecessary. You could probably do away with the list entirely, because you have a casting section already that basically has them all listed again.
Speaking of plots, this would could use a bit of touching up. One of the few times I'll probably ever say this, but you could probably expand it a bit more. There are some unexplained details for one. It's never stated that Randy is at Stu's party (it isn't stated who goes to Stu's party for that matter), but he appears in the plot right when he is shot. Secondly, Gale is "thought to be dead" but there is no explaination for why she is thought to be dead. Also, it plays out like Ghostface stabs Billy and Dewey together, but that wasn't the case. He was stabbed later. I think it's good that you're being very terse here, but there are some things that need some extra explaining because it is unclear as to what actually happened. Structurally, there are some sentences that are a bit much to digest in a single breath and probably should be broken up (ex. "The pair admit to having murdered her mother, Maureen, and framing one of her lovers, Cotton Weary, as revenge because of an affair she was having with Billy's father Hank (C.W. Morgan), which drove his mother away."). Also, two sentence paragraphs are a no-no when it comes to writing. Given that there is no mention of the theme the killer uses when taunting the victims on the phone. I mean, the film is famous for the "what's your favorite scary movie?" line, yet there is no mention of that in the plot (not necessary the line, but the theme the killers use when killing their victims). Additionally, he is never called "Ghostface" in the film. He is credited as that, but the film itself never calls him "Ghostface". We had this issue with The Dark Knight, where Harvey is never called "Two-Face", though we know that is who he is. So, for the purposes of the plot itself it is inaccurate to say "masked-killer named Ghostface". In the body of the article, that's fine because that was the identified name in the credits.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 21:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll take a look at it, I thought that if they wanted the nitty gritty details they could go over to the character page for an expanded look at each characters role but I will see what i can do. It might also be worth nominating Aliens for removal from GA if you think it shouldn't be there. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:16, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
K, how about that?Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll reread the plot in a bit. In the meantime I adjusted a couple of things. First, I have noticed some word choices that are personal interpretations. For example, "significant" in the lead paragraphs. If you have to ask, "What is 'significant'?" then it shouldn't be there. It's basically considered a word that could introduce bias. I removed the bit in the lead about it being the highest grossing slasher film. That's only true for unadjusted dollars. For the 2011 inflation rate, it would not be the highest grossing slasher film. That still resides with Halloween, but a large degree. It's fine to point out in the body (which is already done) that when not adjusting for inflation it is the highest grossing film, but for the lead that's probably a bit much detail when it should just be a basic summary. I've noticed there is still an influx of run-on sentences. Another example from the lead I just saw: "Scream was credited with revitalizing the horror genre in the 1990s, which was considered to be almost dead following an influx of direct-to-video titles and numerous sequels to established horror franchises of the 1970s and 1980s which were drawing both decreasing financial and critical success, by recognizing and exploiting the cliché that films in the genre had become reliant upon." That's a mouthful. I would suggest putting in a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests to have someone go over the article who hasn't worked on the article. I can speak from experience that you tend to unintentionally ignore grammatical issues or questionable statements because you know how it should sound in your head. (another one "Despite competition from other box office fare during its release, including Tom Cruise's Jerry Maguire and Tim Burton's Mars Attacks!, its release date during the Christmas season, and Variety labeling it "D.O.A." before it was even released,[1] Scream became the 15th highest grossing film of 1996, amongst big-budget blockbusters such as Independence Day and Mission: Impossible, and continued to show in cinemas for nearly eight months after its release." - that's also a one-sentence paragraph).  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 02:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

References

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Horror movie references

The following content was removed (or substantially edited) back in January of 2010. I feel that much of this information (some of which I added to the article) is important to fans but I agree that it does not belong in the article without sources to support it all. I am pasting the content here on the discussion page so fans can find it and hopefully quality sources can be identified. I think the article would be greatly improved if much of this can be condensed, substantiated, and reincorporated back into the article in a meaningful way.

The content was as follows: References to other horror films The film features numerous in-jokes and references to other horror projects. The victims in Scream are quite self-aware: they each make clear their familiarity with, and poke fun at, teen slasher and horror flicks, which sets up their fairly ironic responses to the film's situations.[4] Two of the most common references are to A Nightmare on Elm Street and its director Wes Craven. In the audio commentary for the DVD, Craven says that he almost took out the line where Casey Becker says the first A Nightmare on Elm Street was good but the rest sucked, because he thought it would make him seem egotistical. However, it was pointed out to him that he had co-written the third film and also wrote and directed the seventh. A Nightmare on Elm Street is also referenced in the high school janitor. Fred, played by Craven, wears an outfit resembling Freddy Krueger's. Later in the film, Tatum tells Sidney that she is "starting to sound like a Wes Carpenter flick", a fictional name created from compounding the names Wes Craven and John Carpenter (co-producer of the first three installments in the Halloween film series, co-writer of the first two, and director of the first). At one point, Billy sneaks into Sidney's room through her window, startling her, in an homage to the scene where Glen sneaks into Nancy's room in A Nightmare on Elm Street. The similarity between the scenes in emphasized by the physical resemblance Skeet Ulrich, who plays Billy's character, bears to the young Johnny Depp, who played Glen's character. Towards the end of the film, Sidney kills Stu, after a chase, by pushing a television receiver on to him. In A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors, someone is killed by a television receiver when Freddy appears from the top of the set and pulls a victim up and into the screen. In addition to its director, Halloween is referenced many times throughout the film. When Casey's parents come home and see that something is wrong, her father says to her mother, "Drive down to the Mackenzies'", which is a quote from Halloween. During the party scene, Randy Meeks, Stu Macher and the other partygoers are watching the horror film. They watch many famous scenes such as Michael Myers murdering Bob, as well as Laurie Strode discovering her friends' dead bodies scattered in the bedroom. The song that Billy puts on when he and Sidney are making out in her room is a cover version of "Don't Fear the Reaper" which was featured in Halloween in the scene where Laurie and Annie are driving to their babysitting jobs. Billy's surname, Loomis, is the same as that of Donald Pleasence's character in Halloween (1978), which in turn was the name of Marion Crane's lover in Psycho. In a similar fashion to Marion Crane (Janet Leigh), Scream's highly-billed star Drew Barrymore dies early in the film. Referring to Crane's similar premature murder, Robin Wood writes of the "alienation effect" of killing off the "apparent center of the film."[5] In the later stages of the film, Billy Loomis quotes Norman Bates, saying "We all go a little mad sometimes." Licking his fake blood, Loomis says that it is actually corn syrup and food coloring, "the same stuff they used for pig's blood in Carrie". Billy later praises Norman Bates as a more effective horror killer as he has no motive for killing people. As Stu and Billy reveal themselves to Sidney as the killers, they stand head to head, echoing a famous still photo from the film The Thing With Two Heads (1972). When Casey (Drew Barrymore) is dragged across the lawn by her murderer it strongly resembles a scene from Dementia 13. The blood pooling at Gale's (Courtney Cox) feet by the news van is reminiscent of a scene in Night of the Living Dead where blood pools on the floor by Barbara's feet (played by Judith O'Dea). Many films are briefly mentioned during a scene in which Billy and Stu visit Randy at work at a video store. Films Randy mentions include Candyman, The Howling, Prom Night, and Everybody's All-American. Frankenstein is showing on the monitors. Sidney mentions The Town That Dreaded Sundown while she, Tatum and Dewey are walking through town the day of the party. During the party scene, the partygoers are struggling with which movie to watch. The possibilities include The Evil Dead, Hellraiser, The Fog and Terror Train. Clerks is seen as a videotape on top of a television. During the party scene, when Billy arrives, Randy exclaims "What's Leatherface doing here?". Leatherface is the antagonist in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. In addition to mentioning several horror films throughout the film, many minor characters were portrayed by actors who have worked with Wes Craven before and have also appeared in prominent horror films. For example, Linda Blair, who played Regan in The Exorcist, also plays the obnoxious reporter who approaches Sidney when she first returns to school after being attacked by the killer. Joseph Whipp, who plays Sheriff Burke in Scream, also plays a deputy sheriff in A Nightmare on Elm Street. Frances Lee McCain, playing Mrs. Riley, also played the part of Billy's mother, Lynn Peltzer, in 1984's Gremlins. Other films seen or mentioned Halloween When the killer calls Casey Becker, he asks her what her favorite movie is, she answers "Halloween", and he asks her as a "warm-up question ; " name the killer in Halloween" she responds and says Michael Myers, it is also seen being watched by Randy. Friday the 13th — When the killer calls Casey Becker, he asks her "Name the killer in Friday the 13th." She exclaims Jason Voorhees as the answer, but the killer meant the original killer from the first movie, Jason's mother. The Exorcist — When Billy sneaks into Sidney's bedroom, he says he came by due to being bored, sitting at home watching a TV-cut version of The Exorcist. Basic Instinct — Tatum mentions Basic Instinct on how the killer could possibly be female. All the Right Moves — Tatum mentions wanting to see All the Right Moves so she can see Tom Cruise's penis. Clueless — Alicia Silverstone's character was quoted. The Silence of the Lambs — Billy mentions Jodie Foster (who played Clarice Starling in the movie) in one scene with Sidney. He also mentions Hannibal Lecter and that they never decided why he liked to eat people. Trading Places I Spit on Your Grave — When Tatum encounters the killer in the garage, she mistakes him for Randy, exclaiming "So what movie is this from? I Spit on Your Garage?" The Town That Dreaded Sundown. The Bad Seed Smoke and Clerks are both seen on the top of Stu's video player; a poster for Clerks is also seen in the background of the movie store Guncrazy — During the scene set in the video store, a customer asks Randy for "What's that werewolf movie with E.T.'s mom in it". This a reference to Dee Wallace-Stone, who played Mary in ET and Karen White in The Howling. Drew Barrymore, a major character in the movie, had one of her first film roles in ET. Psycho — After Billy shoots Randy he whispers "Anthony Perkins, Psycho" referring to the actor famous for his portrayal of Norman Bates. The Evil Dead — A reference to Bruce Cambell's daughter in the film.


Anyway, there it is. Now lets try to work some of this back into the article in a much more scholarly fashion. Thanks. MorbidAnatomy (talk) 19:09, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Scream (film)/GA1

Cleanup

I put the copyedit tag in. The last half of the middle section looks like it was written by an inept 12 year old. Zkissane 20:35, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

yes.88.230.170.42 (talk) 17:15, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I Agree.88.232.139.85 (talk) 15:53, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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Genre

There have been several recent edits changing the genre from "slasher film" to "satirical slasher film" under the rationale that "The film is widely considered a meta or satirical slasher film". The claim that it is "commonly" considered satire does not seem to be backed up by sources, and it is disputable that satire is even a genre anyway (surely the genre for satire is comedy)? The American Film Institute label it as "Comedy/Mystery/Horror" while The New York Times consider it as a "horror/thriller", and Allmovie regard it as a "horror comedy". None of these reputable catalogs have the genre down as "satire". Not only do these edits violate WP:Verifiable they also violate WP:FILMLEAD which states the lead should identify "the primary genre or sub-genre under which it is verifiably classified". There is some discord over what the primary genres are, but all three sources agree that it is principally a horror film per WP:WEIGHT. Please do not add "satire" to the lead without discussing it here first and obtaining a WP:CONSENSUS. Betty Logan (talk) 20:24, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

per Betty, Slasher is the primary genre. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 20:26, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, satire is already mentioned later in the lead, so it probably doesn't need to be in the first sentence. But I would probably mention postmodernism somewhere, too (one of many sources). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:25, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

"Visual Effects" changed to "Special effects"

"Visual effects" refers to post production optical effects or animation, such as compositing or trick photography. The on set practical effects referred to in this section are properly referred to as special effects. I have made the correction.Verlaine76 (talk) 21:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

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I have performed some cleaning on the detailed plot, particularly the last paragraph. I know a considerable amount about this film, but I lack the necessary writings skills at this time to do more than minimal edits. RevRaven 08:35 30 September 2005 (UTC)

List of films featuring home invasions

I want to add a "See also" section that leads readers to List of films featuring home invasions. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by MagicatthemovieS (talk • contribs) 04:08, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

1997 MTV Movie Awards Spoof

Question... my memory of this is somewhat hazy, but didn't the "Scream" spoof that was played during the 1997 MTV Movie Awards feature Mike Myers, the event's host for the evening, stalking the Casey character, and not Britney Spears as it says in the article? I remember this because the second half of the parody was the part where the "voice" was tormenting Casey not about the killer from "Halloween," but about her favorite character from "Saturday Night Live" (the punchline being that her response, "Michael Myers," effectively answers either question). And then they show a great shot of Myers on his cell phone giggling to himself, supposedly on the phone with Casey, and then notices that he's on camera and hilariously utters: "Gotta go!"

Seems you might be correct. No sources to support it, just a funny video. MTV 1997 Scream Huggums537 (talk) 00:14, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Cast

There's nothing to discuss. The cast list belongs. They exist at most other movie pages. They help readers quickly identify actors and roles. The casting section is for the bloated reasons about who plays whom and why. That's it. I don't know who took it out first but it should be put back in. LordAtlas (talk) 06:17, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

If there was nothing to discuss there wouldn't be need for a discussion, you can take your attitude over to a local beach and get it to relax. Might does not make right, per guidelines plain lists are frowned upon, the cast are credited all over the article, your list adds nothing, nor does your attitude. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 20:51, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
You were the one who took it out. How about you look at other film pages? You decided to remove something without consensus. The cast list clearly identifies which actor was which character. I fail to see how you think that is unimportant. It isn't a plain list. LordAtlas (talk) 22:46, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
I believe if you review MOS:FILM you'll find nothing stipulating that a Cast listing in the format you've been inserting it is considered a requirement, and some argument that it's not best practice either. That it is frequently (by no means always) done at other film articles does not mean it is considered "best practice", only that they do it that way. In any event, the proper course is to establish a consensus for how we can proceed, which is what we're doing now. DonIago (talk) 01:35, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Dude, there's been no cast list since 2011 at least. You are way too late to complain about removing something without consensus. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 16:25, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
This seems relevant. DonIago (talk) 17:27, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

It should probably be mentioned that LordAtlas has brought this to WT:FILM for further discussion. DonIago (talk) 20:24, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

"Cast covered in lead, infobox and casting." Cast should not be, and isn't covered in the lead. The lead is meant to give a summary or overview of the whole article. Infobox is not there to substitute the information that should be in the article. As for casting, I would have to read all the section to find out who plays what role. It should be easy to find this information in the article for those who do not wish to read the whole section. This is what the Cast section is for. Hoverfish Talk 22:53, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

There's an ongoing discussion Hovertool, why you can't wait for that to resolve I don't know but congrats on being a bad Wikipedian. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 23:00, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Hovertool? Bad Wikipedian? Hoverfish Talk 23:04, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Yup. Awful. He owns this page. You need permission. /facepalm LordAtlas (talk) 23:08, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Let's be clear here Lord Asslas, the page hasn't had a cast list for 6 years, it passed GA as it was, it went to FA as it was without cast lists being the issue. It's nothing to do with your pathetic accusations of WP:OWN and everything to do with you two edit warring to get the content in against a WP:STATUSQUO. Don't play the victim when your attitude from the start was disgusting. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 22:34, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Oh, look. Another personal attack. Please, sir. May I have more? LordAtlas (talk) 22:54, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
@Darkwarriorblake: you can make your point without personal attacks. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:26, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
I can. It wouldn't have as much emphasis though. Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 16:17, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I support having a "Cast" section. especially presenting it as multi-column to avoid extraneous white space, which is the main reason I've not liked such sections. However, what rule of thumb are we following with the names? Meaning, can we follow a secondary source so we don't have to fit over where to cut off the list? And for something like Henry Winkler's uncredited role, that may be more suitable as a sentence after the list of names. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 01:13, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I just now happened to come across the FA for the day (Blade Runner) that has a cast list similar to the one Erik produced, so it seems to be a very reasonable and acceptable type of list...Huggums537 (talk) 00:27, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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