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perhaps this needs to be moved to Scottish baronial architecture, or perhaphs just a subsection of Gothic revival - any views? Giano | talk 11:23, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think its fine here, but perhaps should be captialised as Scottish Baronial style.

Someone else probably knows the details, but I seem to recall Charles Rennie Mackintosh writing a noted article in which he advocated that architects should build on and reinterpret their traditional local idioms and that he himself liked to base his style on the Scottish baronial style (see for example [1]). In particular, the Hill House, with its curved staircase 'turret', exhibits elements of the Scottish Baronial style reinterpreted with a modern eye (picture). On the other hand I think his comments fell on deaf ears at the time. -- Solipsist 12:15, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, this is not realy my field, I was just adding my limited knowledge to the stub. I would have thought that Mackintosh was eviolving this style into another style, but I'm out of my depth here so I defer to others opinions. Giano | talk 12:24, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No that's true. Mackintosh wasn't saying that he designed in the Scottish Baronial style, just that he used it as a starting point for a 'modern' (that is 1910 modern) reinterpretation. I think his lecture/article was talking about how architects shouldn't just ignore a locations traditional styles when designing a new building; possibly suggesting that the existing local style often contained features that were particularly relevant to the local climate and so should be retained in a modern building. -- Solipsist 12:40, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just clicked on your picture, that's great, (I like that) but I would have said that was based on a traditional Scottish tower house, and the Scottish baronial style had been byepassed altogether. My opinion only though probably! Giano | talk 12:28, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Revival"

I think the article needs to decide whether it is about Scottish Baronial Revival architecture, which is all it describes now, or whether it is about Scottish Baronial in general, a term which accomodates most surviving real castles and castle-like buildings...? Notinasnaid 14:09, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please be bold amd add what you think is lacking, it can only improve the page. Giano | talk 14:19, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A good point which I think is covered by use of the term "style". I've made some modifications to make it clear that this is the revival, a separate page on Scottish Baronial architecture could accommodate the sources, though IMO it drew on a variety of inspirations and it's not clear if there was an original "baronial" style. ...dave souza, talk 16:52, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dave is quite right, I had forgotten the page is termed "style". I'm not sure there is such a thing as "Scottish Baronial" which is other than the Gothic revival with a Scottish influence described here. The very term "Baronial" conjures up a synthetic Camelot, and is unlike to have been used before the 19th century. This site here [2] interesting as it is, gives no clue as to a definitively titled form of architecture. Perhaps the answer is a far more comprehensive page titled Scottish architecture or just Scottish tower houses, these were after all the inspiration for the Scottish influence on the Baronial style. I wonder if the page should just be moved to Baronial style. I don't know! Giano | talk 18:32, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Somewhere in the back of my architectural mind I am thinking Peel houses (google gives 2,420,000) are they the origin? We need someone who know the answers here. Giano | talk 18:54, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dalmeny House

I recently visited Dalmeny house. They describe its fasade as Tudor Gothic, not Baronial. I suggest we remove Dalmeny house as an example of Scottish Baronial. If no-one objects, I'll make this change in a few weeks. Alastair 08:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are quite correct they do indeed describe it so, although, to my eye, I think just Gothic revival would be more accurate - especially considering the interior "Regency gothic" Whatever it is - while Baronial it does not have many Scottish baronial features so I have removed it.Giano | talk 10:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Confused

This page is somewhat confusing as 15th-18th century buildings are described as Scottish Baronial which then redirects here which seems to indicate the term was only really used in reference to the revival style? Gustav von Humpelschmumpel 19:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as Visitscotland.com - Scottish castles notes, "Craigievar... this stylish 17th-century tower house is a fine example of the Scots baronial style of architecture at its best.", and the term is commonly used for a certain style of castle from older times as well as for the revival architecture. Why not acknowledge that on this page? ... dave souza, talk 20:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Housing

About 15 years ago, I can remember a new housing estate was built on the south side of Inverness, on the hill overlooking the firth. The houses were advertised as being in Scottish Baronial Style. They were to my mind not of a much higher quality than the average Wimpy, but they did have little turrets and battlements, and in the lounge of the showhouse there was a spiral staircase leading up into the turret. Obviously this was a bit of a gimmick, but I wonder if the use of the term to refer to a modern commercial development is more widely known or deserves to be mentioned in the article? --Doric Loon 20:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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According to the Oxford Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape Architecture, Baronial style is a 19th-century style and should not be applied to actual castles or Late Gothic/Stuart/Jacobean architecture in Scotland. I'm going to boldly remove the non-19th-century material. GPinkerton (talk) 21:42, 25 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear GPinkerton. Thanks for having brought it up: there are definitively two subjects discussed in this article, which I called "Revival Scottish Baronial" and "Original Scottish Baronial" at the time when I was active on the article. Perhaps I should have better researched these terms I was fairly new to Wikipedia at the time and you are a far more experienced editor than I am. Do you think there should be two articles? Johannes Schade (talk) 10:25, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dear GPinkerton, Grognard Mirabilaire. Thanks for citing Oxford Dictionary of Architecture and Landscape Architecture above. I feel it should be cited in the article. Since you came up with the idea, I think the honour should be yours. Otherwise I could add the citation and a bit of corresponding text if you do not mind. With thanks, Johannes Johannes Schade (talk) 08:55, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Material that referred to pre 19th century Scotch Baronial needs to be restored to the article. It's important to mention original Scotch Baronial, this revival is based on it. Article is incomplete and sorely lacking. Brtbng (talk) 17:03, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]