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A fact from Scot Weir appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 1 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that American tenor Scot Weir sang Hans Zender's contemporary version of Schubert's Die Winterreise with chamber orchestra in a performance of the Hamburg Ballet?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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... that tenor Scot Weir, an American academic voice teacher in Berlin and in Zürich, interpreted Schubert's Die Winterreise in both the original version and in Hans Zender's version with chamber orchestra? Source: several for the teaching, review of the concert

Reviewed: Saissetia coffeae
Comment: We could also mention that he sang the work with a guitar duo, and for dance in Hamburg, - his piece.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 16:04, 28 April 2020 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Not thrilled with the hook, but otherwise okay. If anyone else wants to approve the hook, please do. --evrik ^(talk) 16:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for looking. How about the dance then?

ALT1: ... that tenor Scot Weir sang Schubert's Die Winterreise in Hans Zender's contemporary version with chamber orchestra in a performance of the Hamburg Ballet choreographed by John Neumeier?

Some readers may know that Zender recently died, so it's meant as a little tribute, and that Neumeier is an enfant terrible of ballet. Readers who don't know Die Winterreise, one of the greatest song cycles there is, possibly the greatest, will not care about this wonderful singer anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:00, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a: ~~... that tenor Scot Weir sang a contemporary version of Schubert's Die Winterreise by Hans Zender in a performance of the Hamburg Ballet?~~

I will pass Alt1, and offer Alt1a for the promoter. --evrik ^(talk) 17:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I have problems with ALT1a. You wouldn't say "sang a version", and I miss "chamber orchestra" greatly. Did you read the review pointing out that it's a different soundworld? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, do we really need all this detail in the hook? I would leave off the choreographer at the least. IMO it's not a very "hooky" fact to begin with. Yoninah (talk) 15:43, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how else to word that? Simply "ballet by" would for me be the composer. Die Winterreise IS famous, IS Weir's piece, and ballet more unusual than with piano, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to trim the hook with my alternate, but would welcome the help. --evrik ^(talk) 15:52, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, he has such a varied career in so many countries and posts that it seems very limiting to just talk about this one performance. But I'm not going to waste time thinking up a hook because you so often reject whatever I suggest. Please think of something yourself that will have broader appeal. 21:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

When I list many aspects of a career, I get told to focus on one thing, and when I try to do that, it's again not right. I feel that an American singing a Romantic Austrian song cycle in a contemporary ballet/orchestra version in Hamburg is telling a lot about him. He was a teacher more than anything else, but some find teaching boring? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, when you say it that way, I understand the hookiness. When you say it in a string of unfamiliar names and titles, I don't. So you want to write it this way?
ALT1b: ... that American tenor Scot Weir sang Schubert's Die Winterreise in Hans Zender's contemporary version with chamber orchestra in a performance of the Hamburg Ballet? Yoninah (talk) 21:40, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Alt1B is okay with me. --evrik ^(talk) 21:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
also with me --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
--evrik ^(talk) 22:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both. Yoninah (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]