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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:48, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Nazi connection and historical accuracy.

Given the seriousness of the claims made in the article regarding the funding of Adolf Hitler, perhaps more reliable sources can be provided detailing the links. The majority of the statement rests on claims made by Antony C Sutton in "Wall Street and Rise of Hitler". Sutton is a problematic source who has faced significant criticism for his claims and methodology, specifically around his "Wall Street" series. In particular, facing criticism for fabricating claims and a conspiratorial outlook, having been an extensive contributor to Conspiracy Digest in the USA.

Another of his books in the Wall Street series, Wall Street and the FDR, was criticised in one review as follows:

Sutton evidently belongs to the "international banker" school of historical change. The present book is a sequel to his Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, wherein it is purportedly shown that certain elements on Wall Street helped to finance the Bolshevik putsch. Installment number three will examine Wall Street ties to Hitler. The theme underlying all three volumes is that "socialism . . . has come to the United States [Russia, Germany] because it is very much in the interest of the Wall Street establishment to attain a socialist society" (9).

Wall Street and FDR is a weak specimen of "conspiracy history" and one of its sub-genres, "ruling class theory." It is poorly written and edited, digressive, repetitious, disorganized, and unconvincing.

Citation: Dickman, Howard. The Business History Review, vol. 50, no. 4, 1976, pp. 541–43. JSTOR, https://doi.org/10.2307/3113155.

A separate review of his book Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution starts as follows:

The scholarly pretensions of this potboiler require its review. In ten unrelated chapters Sutton attempts to forge a link of mutual economic interests between international bankers and the Bolsheviks through use of State Department files and, among others, some highly controversial sources. As scholars are familiar with Sutton's sources, he tells us nothing new. He does repeat unsubstantiated allegations, cite irrelevant facts, make unwarranted conclusions, and record it all in an appallingly pedestrian style.

The author continued "Factual errors in the book are numerous... Routine inquiries and rumours become documentary proof of allegations."

Citation: Medlin, Virgil D. Canadian Slavonic Papers / Revue Canadienne Des Slavistes, vol. 19, no. 2, 1977, pp. 229–30. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/40867552.

Regarding the particular claims in the article, JH Stein was not a subsidiary bank of JH Schroder & Co.

Additionally the quote provided does not even make the Claim that JH Schroder & Co. funnelled funds to Himmler. The quote is in relation to Baron Kurt Schroder, not JH Schroder & Co. The quote refers to an "earlier member of the Schroder family" who organized the banking firm, not Baron Kurt Schroder. The full context is as follows:

Baron Kurt von Schröder was born in Hamburg in 1889 into an old, established German banking family. An earlier member of the Schröder family moved to London, changed his name to Schroder (without the dierisis) and organized the banking firm of J. Henry Schroder in London and J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation in New York. Kurt von Schröder also became a partner in the private Cologne Bankhaus, J. H. Stein & Company, founded in the late eighteenth century... Kurt von Schroder then linked up with Hitler and the early Nazis, and as in the 1919 and 1923 Rhineland separatist movements, Schröder represented and worked for German industrialists and armaments manufacturers. In exchange for financial and industrial support arranged by von Schroder, he later gained political prestige. Immediately after the Nazis gained power in 1933 Schroder became the German representative at the Bank for International Settlements, which Quigley calls the apex of the international control system, as well as head of the private bankers group advising the German Reichsbank. Heinrich Himmler appointed Sehroder an S.S. Senior Group Leader, and in turn Himmler became a prominent member of Keppler's Circle.

Sutton does not claim that JH Schroder & Co was used by Kurt Schroder to finance Hitler. Indeed, the quoted section Schröder acted as the conduit for I.T.T. money funneled to Heinrich Himmler's S.S. organization in 1944, refers to Kurt Schroder. Sutton does not provide any evidence or claim a concrete link between JH Schroder & Co and Kurt Schröder's financing efforts. The only "connection" which Sutton makes is as follows:

In the mid-1930s another link was forged between Wall Street and Schröder [Kurt], this time through the Rockefellers. In 1936 the underwriting and general securities business handled by J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation in New York was merged into a new investment banking firm — Schroder, Rockefeller & Company, Inc. at 48 Wall Street. Carlton P. Fuller of Schroder Banking Corporation became president and Avery Rockefeller, son of Percy Rockefeller (brother of John D. Rockefeller) became vice president and director of the new firm. Previously, Avery Rockefeller had been associated behind the scenes with J. Henry Schroder Banking Corporation; the new firm brought him out into the open.

This merely states a connection between Kurt Schroder, the Schroder Bank in New York and the Rockefeller Family. It does not provide any evidence of financing of the Hitler or the Nazi Party. Instead it harkens to conspiratorial claims regarding the Rockefeller Family, and influence by other Banking families, without providing any evidence. Indeed, Sutton repeats the outlandish claim that "Schroder was influential enough in 1940 to bring Pierre Laval [French Prime Minister] to power in France".

Given the seriousness of the claims, the central position of the claim in the article, and the nature of the source, and the misquoting of said source I have removed the section for poor quality.

141.161.133.73 (talk) 00:12, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Changing the Key person on Schroders wikipedia

• What I think should be changed:

- Michael Dobson (chair-person) should be removed from the 'Key people' on the right hand side of the page, and should be replaced with Dame Elizabeth Corley (chair). Add in hyperlink to Dame Elziabeth Corley's own wikipedia page: https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Elizabeth_Corley

• Why it should be changed:

- It should be change as Dame Elizabeth Corley replaced Michael Dobson as chair of the company last year when Michael Dobson left the company.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

- https://www.schroders.com/en/global/individual/media-centre/appointment-of-non-executive-director-and-chair-designate/ - https://www.schroders.com/en/global/individual/media-centre/schroders-plc-full-year-results-2022/ - https://www.schroders.com/en/global/individual/about-us/our-leaders/meet-our-board/ 193.104.63.58 (talk) 09:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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 Go ahead: I have reviewed these proposed changes and suggest that you go ahead and make the proposed changes to the page. Please note that the article's infobox makes use of the {{wd-chairperson}} template, meaning the COI editor must change the relevant information regarding the chairperson on the subject company's Wikidata page in order for the new chairperson's name to be displayed in the subject company's Wikipedia article. The chairperson's name will then display automatically—no changes should be made to the Wikipedia page itself. Regards,  Spintendo  17:06, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

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