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Great work on article

I just want to give kudos for the work done on this article. It looks really great. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 19:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

King of the Franks

Louis made 6000 liter wine himself ?!? --Symposiarch (talk) 13:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A royal estate does not create an association with the Church. Who donated the estate to the Church?--Wetman (talk) 01:04, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Focus

The palace is significant in history, architecture and culture, a place of worship and a concert venue. Infobox winery is not suitable to cover that, it seems. --

Holy Roman Empire

Franz indeed gifted Johannesburg to Metternich in 1816, but not as Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire, which met its end in 1806. 2600:1700:CDA:87E0:3156:BFD6:5260:54BB (talk) 00:07, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Historic architectural plans.

A user greatly expanded the article recently, by details about history, including many pictures. I feel that we have now too many images, and some are hard to understand even in larger size. I reduced them, but was reverted. What do others think? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 24 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was the one who expanded the article and reverted the edits made by the writer of this comment. I believe the page is not visually overwhelming, even with the current number of images. The architectural plans, maps, and designs included are highly relevant for understanding the architecture and history of the building. For example, a plan illustrates how the stately home is structured and how the rooms are interconnected, or how it relates to its direct surroundings, which is crucial for grasping its design and function.

On my side, the images are perfectly readable on both mobile devices and monitors. If the concern is about image size or placement, I’m happy to discuss adjustments to improve clarity and presentation. However, simply removing the images diminishes the article’s informativeness and its ability to convey the full context of the subject. Ipflo (talk) 10:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Example: File:Johannisberg hhstaw 3011--1 nr 9272 h 0001.jpg. I see that we have a plan of a three-wing building's floor, divided in many rooms. No legend to tell me what kind of rooms. To me, it's a waste of space, also very pale. We have two pics of the kind, and I think what could be derived from them could also be said in a sentence. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for sharing your perspective — I understand where you’re coming from. However, I respectfully disagree that the plans are a waste of space. Architectural plans are invaluable visual tools that convey information not easily expressed in text, such as the spatial arrangement, room connections, and overall structure of the building.

While I agree that a legend would make the plans more useful (and I regret that I have not been able to locate one yet - a lot of information has been lost due to 1942 bombing), removing the images entirely would deprive the article of an important resource for readers interested in the architectural details. Ipflo (talk) 21:47, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would like to hear a voice of some reader not you or me. Do you know any other article which has five pale images without any text? Is anything in these floor plans unusual? Compare Schloss Ludwigsburg, perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 26 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"I think it’s clear that we have differing perspectives on the value and presentation of these images. I agree that it would be helpful to hear feedback from other editors or readers to determine the best approach for the article.

While I understand your comparison to Schloss Ludwigsburg, every article is unique, and I believe these plans add valuable context to this specific subject by illustrating the building’s structure and spatial arrangement. It’s worth noting that other articles about architectural or historical subjects also include plans, even without legends, as they still offer meaningful visual information to readers. Refer to Würzburg Residence or Stockholm Palace or Palazzo Farnese. That said, I’m open to improving the clarity of the images or their captions if others feel it would enhance their usefulness. Ipflo (talk) 19:22, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at Würzburg. It has two floor plans, which show well. I'd be happier with only one of them, because the other one is very similar, with no explanation of why it's also there, and plenty of white space on its right. - I'm not against plans; I added one for St. Leonhard, Frankfurt, believing that it says more about that unique building than 1000 words. The two floor plans for Johannisberg, however, look like some very usual palace plans, - not worth the space they occupy, imho. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:34, 27 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Images can be a good thing, or dreadful depending on their placement etc. Too much of a good thing and all that. Haven't read above yt bur will do when I get time. There are a lot of piccies however. — Iadmc ♫^talk 16:03, 29 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]