Talk:Saviem

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GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 12:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Will review. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 12:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

General

GA toolbox checks out

Lead

Extend the lead by a few lines so that it covers all major aspects of the article

I added some more about production and partnerships, I hope that suffices.

Early years

Wikilink Renault, first mention after the lead

Done.

Coming with more. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 14:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Models

What are the sources used?

To be honest, I don't know. The list was there before I started to edit the article, and, as I found some resitence at removing it, I simply tried to match it with the French Wikipedia list, except for a few models. As founding a complete list from a manufacturer as Saviem is a nearly impossible task (as it sold some models from other manufacturers, mostly for short periods), I only can think of two possible solutions:

a) Removing the list entirely, which was my first idea, as it will always be incomplete. However, that can make the article a little less informative.

b) Adding models only if a rs to back them up exists. But then again, it will be incomplete. I made one list of that kind in my sandbox, and it would look this way:

Trucks and light commercial vehicles

Saviem/Renault Galion^[1]
Saviem/Renault Goélette^[1]
Saviem Super Galion^[2]^[3]
Saviem Super Goélette^[2]^[3]
Saviem H^[4]
Saviem J^[5]
Saviem JL^[6]
Saviem JM^[7]
Saviem P^[4]
Saviem S^[8]
Saviem SM^[9]

Buses and coaches

Saviem R-series^[10]
Saviem ZR 20^[10]
Saviem-Floirat ZF 20^[10]
Saviem SC (Saviem-Chausson) 1/2/5^[10]
Saviem SC10^[1]
Saviem S45^[1]^[10]^[11]
Saviem S53^[10]
Saviem S105^[10]
Saviem E5^[12]
Saviem E7^[12]

^ ^a ^b ^c ^d Greve, Jean François (2007). "Stratégies d'enterprise et action publique". In Moguen-Toursel, Marine (ed.). Firm strategies and public policy in integrated Europe (1950–1980): confrontation and learning of economic actors. Peter Lang. pp. 197–231. ISBN 978-90-5201-045-8.
^ ^a ^b Wilding, A. J. P. (10 November 1967). "Lightweights in the limelight". Commercial Motor. 126 (3242). London: Temple Press: 112–113. ISSN 0010-3063.
^ ^a ^b Wilding, A. J. P. (8 September 1967). "MAN changes through the range at Frankfurt". Commercial Motor. 126 (3234). London: Temple Press: 43. ISSN 0010-3063.
^ ^a ^b "Saviem new vehicles". Commercial Motor. 146 (37). London: IPC Transport Press: 6–7. 30 December 1977. ISSN 0010-3063.
^ Montgomerie, Graham (10 January 1975). "First crack at the Club". Commercial Motor. 141 (35). London: IPC Transport Press: 26–28. ISSN 0010-3063.
^ Kuipers, J. F. J. (1972). A history of commercial vehicles of the world. Oakwood Press. p. 82. ISBN 0-85361-114-9.
^ Stanier, Richard (13 December 2012). "10 steeling the show. 9: Saviem SG". Commercial Motor. 218 (5514). Sutton: Road Transport Media: 34. ISSN 0010-3063.
^ Reyes, Francis (1996). 100 ans d'illustrations de pub camions (in French). ETAI. p. 108. ISBN 2-7268-8197-1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)
^ Bähr, Johannes; Banken, Rolf; Flemming, Thomas (2008). "Vierter Teil: Der Weg zur heutigen MAN Gruppe (1960–2008)". Die MAN: eine deutsche Industriegeschichte (in German). CH Beck. pp. 388–389. ISBN 978-3-406-57762-8. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)
^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g "Sachez reconnaitre les "cars Renault"" (PDF) (in French). Car-histo-bus.org. Archived from the original (PDF) on 3 May 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)
^ ""A book full of nostalgia"" (PDF). Busworld Daily Times. Busworld Kortrijk. Archived from the original (PDF) on 29 June 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
^ ^a ^b "Les utilitaires Renault fêtent 50 ans d'activités à Villiers-Saint-Frédéric" (in French). Le Parisien. 25 September 2015. Archived from the original on 29 June 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

Thanks for explaining the situation to me. Sources are needed no matter what, and some information is better than no information. Better go ahead and put on your sandbox list, editors can keep adding names when they find good sources. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 00:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Done

Rest of the article looks fine to me. Excellent prose and sources. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 18:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great job! Happy to promote. Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:17, 30 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

[FSPP-1] Greve, Jean François (2007). "Stratégies d'enterprise et action publique". In Moguen-Toursel, Marine (ed.). Firm strategies and public policy in integrated Europe (1950–1980): confrontation and learning of economic actors. Peter Lang. pp. 197–231. ISBN 978-90-5201-045-8.

[SGSG-2] Wilding, A. J. P. (10 November 1967). "Lightweights in the limelight". Commercial Motor. 126 (3242). London: Temple Press: 112–113. ISSN 0010-3063.

[SGSG2-3] Wilding, A. J. P. (8 September 1967). "MAN changes through the range at Frankfurt". Commercial Motor. 126 (3234). London: Temple Press: 43. ISSN 0010-3063.

[H-4] "Saviem new vehicles". Commercial Motor. 146 (37). London: IPC Transport Press: 6–7. 30 December 1977. ISSN 0010-3063.

[5] Montgomerie, Graham (10 January 1975). "First crack at the Club". Commercial Motor. 141 (35). London: IPC Transport Press: 26–28. ISSN 0010-3063.

[HISCOMVEH-6] Kuipers, J. F. J. (1972). A history of commercial vehicles of the world. Oakwood Press. p. 82. ISBN 0-85361-114-9.

[JM-7] Stanier, Richard (13 December 2012). "10 steeling the show. 9: Saviem SG". Commercial Motor. 218 (5514). Sutton: Road Transport Media: 34. ISSN 0010-3063.

[100ans-8] Reyes, Francis (1996). 100 ans d'illustrations de pub camions (in French). ETAI. p. 108. ISBN 2-7268-8197-1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

[MAN-9] Bähr, Johannes; Banken, Rolf; Flemming, Thomas (2008). "Vierter Teil: Der Weg zur heutigen MAN Gruppe (1960–2008)". Die MAN: eine deutsche Industriegeschichte (in German). CH Beck. pp. 388–389. ISBN 978-3-406-57762-8. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

[Histo-10] ^ ^a ^b ^c ^d ^e ^f ^g "Sachez reconnaitre les "cars Renault"" (PDF) (in French). Car-histo-bus.org. Archived from the original (PDF) on 3 May 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

[11] ""A book full of nostalgia"" (PDF). Busworld Daily Times. Busworld Kortrijk. Archived from the original (PDF) on 29 June 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

[PARI-12] "Les utilitaires Renault fêtent 50 ans d'activités à Villiers-Saint-Frédéric" (in French). Le Parisien. 25 September 2015. Archived from the original on 29 June 2016. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)

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