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Did you know... that the Save Uganda Movement grew from a few hundred members to around 17,000 in a matter of months?

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 14:49, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... ~~that the Save Uganda Movement grew from a few hundred members to around 20,000 in a matter of months?~~ (Source: Otunnu, Ogenga (2017). Crisis of Legitimacy and Political Violence in Uganda, 1979 to 2016, p. 46. Note that Otunnu is talking about groups loyal to specific commanders, namely Akena p'Ojok and William Omaria. However, both were part of the Save Uganda Movement at the time.)

Reviewed: Charles Gordon Hopkins

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 23:34, 26 December 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Applodion: New enough and long enough. QPQ pending. I am going to have to AGF on the hook fact source, and in any event I don't see the claim very clearly restated (I don't see 20,000 with a citation; I see 50 and 17,000, both cited to Otunnu). Textually, the article looks good otherwise. The hook fact issue and QPQ must be addressed to continue. Please ping me when these are. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:41, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh my, sorry for this mistake. 17,000 is the correct number; no idea how I got 20.000 (the "hundreds" are included in the text, see "By 1978, there were at least two major SUM factions. One was led by Omaria, an ethnic Teso, and included about 100 fighters. The other was loyal to Akena p'Ojok, an Acholi, and about 300 strong"). I have corrected the article, and added Alt1 to showcase the change (QPQ is coming soon). Applodion (talk) 13:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the Save Uganda Movement grew from a few hundred members to around 17,000 in a matter of months? (Source: Otunnu, Ogenga (2017). Crisis of Legitimacy and Political Violence in Uganda, 1979 to 2016, p. 46)

@Sammi Brie: Added QPQ and fixed the numbers' issue. Applodion (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That looks good now. This is good to go with the QPQ. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 18:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this, but the hook facts need to appear in the article, with inline cites. I only see the 17,000 number in the infobox, without a cite. Yoninah (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: It was cited in the main text, but added a reference to the infobox. Applodion (talk) 22:31, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Applodion: No, it should not be cited in the infobox. Please write the hook facts into the main article, with cites. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 22:35, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'd assumed this was a permissible calculation. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 02:12, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Sammi Brie: Please review WP:DYK#Cited hook: Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Yoninah (talk) 09:50, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: Better? Applodion (talk) 12:43, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Applodion: OK, I see the 17,000 figure cited in the text. Then I see By 1978, there were at least two major SUM factions. One was led by Omaria, an ethnic Teso, and included about 100 fighters. The other was loyal to Akena p'Ojok, an Acholi, and about 300 strong. But the hook says this increase occurred in a matter of months, which doesn't seem accurate. Yoninah (talk) 13:02, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah: Clarification: These numbers are for late 1978, namely the start of the Uganda-Tanzania War (will add the more precise date). In addition, SUM still had less than 1,500 fighters by early 1979 (as you can see in the text). They grew this big in less than a year, aka in a matter of months. Applodion (talk) 13:47, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You're right; I wasn't reading carefully. ALT1 is good to go per Sammi Brie's review. Yoninah (talk) 13:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yonasani Kanyomozi

@Applodion: I'm seeing stuff about this guy, MP I think, being listed as a founding member and "leader" of SUM in some instances (in a parliamentary or diplomatic setting I think). Other sources describe him as a UPC member. -Indy beetle (talk) 00:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Indy beetle: Thanks for pointing this out. SUM appears to have had many "leaders", and several of these seem to have had multiple allegiances before, during and after their SUM membership - for example, Zeddy Maruru got awards for serving with SUM and Kikosi Maalum. In this article, Kanyomozi seems to describe this himself, as he was an early UPC member, was loyal to Obote I, joined SUM, served under Lule and Binaisa, but had beef with Tito Okello and his associates and fled into exile, finally returning after the NRM's takeover. Applodion (talk) 13:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]