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Coordinate error

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80 degrees east instead of 70 70 puts you in the Arabian Sea 216.36.151.192 (talk) 08:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done. BrainMarble (talk) 04:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

regarding the status o application fo electonic mech

sir i have applied for above said subject si want to know about this application —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.139.226 (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image of the centre layout

The article would be much improved with an image of the physical layout of SDSC. I've seen one image in the Encyclopedia Astronautica link that is in the External Refs, but does anyone know of one that would be free to use on Wikipedia? NASA makes all of their public info free to use on Wikipedia, but I'm unfamiliar with ISRO policy on the matter. N2e (talk) 15:15, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Location justification

Any justification on why this location has been picked will be highly appreciated. What is it about Sriharikota that makes it ideal for rocket launching? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.107.0.81 (talk) 22:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Why 4 articles?

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The apparent consensus was Do Not Merge. Votes - 0 Support, 2 Oppose and 0 Neutral. Closing this discussion after 2 weeks of no comments relating to the subject. - Jayadevp13 01:55, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed merge with

Why do we have this article and an article about each launch pad? Shouldn't the other three articles just be merged into this one?--ukexpat (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me, depending on the amount of sourced detail about each launch pad. Long history of many lauches, with significant sourced material about the launch pad in particular might argue for sub-articles. But if not, I would support a merge. If you get around to making a formal proposal, with links to the articles you think ought to be merged, rationale, etc, invite me back and I'll weigh in on the formal proposal then. Cheers. N2e (talk) 04:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, splitting articles should come once the length is so great and the individual subjects so notable that splitting them is necessary, not in anticipation of that. With 28 at the first and 10 and the seconds pad, I would expect more info to be available to create an article but apparently not. Essentially it's WP:too soon, especially for launch pad 3 which has yet to be used. Not enough information available about this topic to warrant a dedicated article. This can be adequately covered in the parent article. A dedicated article on each pad is not necessary. Perhaps one day but not today. RadioFan (talk) 21:27, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@RadioFan: According to WP:too soon the various notability criteria that guide editors in creating articles, require that the topic being considered be itself verifiable in independent secondary reliable sources. If sources do not exist, it is generally too soon for an article on that topic to be considered. It is clearly said if sources do not exist only then it's too soon. But the all the sources in the TLP article are secondary or tertiary and not primary ones. - Jayadevp13 12:40, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose, the FLP and SLP articles are already beyond stubs and have plenty of room for expansion. No real case has been made to merge. I'm also confused as to why we need separate discussions on this. --W. D. Graham 23:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment each article on the pads are barely beyond stubs and could easily be covered in the main article on the site. There isn't that much unique to say about each launch pad and there is much duplication between the articles. Better to merge them back into the main article than have them lost to deletion.--RadioFan (talk) 00:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. While they are a little short at the moment, there is scope to expand them - with enough time and research we could produce something like Kennedy Space Center Launch Complex 39 - indeed several articles on US launch complexes are already well beyond stubs which proves it can be done. If there is no article to expand then it will never get expanded. I think having them "lost to deletion" is an unlikely scenario - if they are even nominated and the nominator can make a sufficient case - which I find unlikely, the outcome of that discussion is at worst going to be a forced merger. In the meantime we have a chance to make something of these articles to prove that they shouldn't be deleted. --W. D. Graham 11:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose according to instructions at Wikipedia:Merging section Reasons for merger. It is written that merging should be avoided if - "topics could be expanded into longer standalone (but cross-linked) articles" and "topics are discrete (different) subjects warranting their own articles, even though they might be short". All the three articles are much above stubs. The TLP article is long enough and the sources can also be trusted. It was even fully reviewed for a successful DYK nomination (see article's talk page). I literally do not see anything in common between the TLP article and that of FLP and SLP. - Jayadevp13 04:29, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

* Comment Kennedy Space Center Launch Complex 39 is an excellent example of why a merge is appropriate here and your idea to use KSC articles as models is an excellent one as SDSC makes progress towards manned spaceflight. The LC39 article encompasses 2 launch pads, precisely what is being proposed for the pad article here. LC39A and LC39B do not have individual articles, each pad and it's specifics are mentioned in the infobox. Perhaps merger to a central Satish Dhawan Space Centre launch pads would be a good compromise here. These articles are not 'a little short', they are stubs, as was judged by 3 separate projects (Spaceflight, Rocketry, and India). The article on the space center itself is rated 'start'. Instead of spending time breaking out these articles with the hope that they grow, the focus needs to be on expanding them, something that is going to be more difficult with 4 articles than 1 (merge into Satish Dhawan Space Centre) or 2 (merge into Satish Dhawan Space Centre launch pads).--RadioFan (talk) 12:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

LC-39 is a single complex with two pads, whereas here each pad has its own complex, so it's not the same scenario (the use of "pad" in the titles here is a matter of terminology). If FLP and SLP used the same integration and support facilities, and it was just a matter of which pad the rocket was placed on, then merging to a single article about the pads would make sense, however these are completely different. --W. D. Graham 15:09, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the 45 year history, 150+ launches of LC39 A & B and description of its facilities including support for human spaceflight can be covered in a single article, certainly the 2 active pads plus one intended for human spaceflight under construction at SDSC can be similarly covered in a single article rather than 3. I'm not seeing much differentiation in the support facilities at each pad. Could you weigh in on the proposal to merge to a single article on the pads, I think the proposal to merge to this main article on the center is off the table at this point.--RadioFan (talk) 15:47, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are very significant differences between the two complexes - to give one example example at FLP the rockets are stacked on the pad, while at SLP they are assembled off-pad and rolled out vertically - so each article can include details of the assembly process and the SLP article can also talk about the integration building and transportation process, while the FLP one can discuss the pad's MST (for the record SLP doesn't have an MST). With regards having one article for all three pads, I'm still against that - again, LC-39 is a single complex with two pads, while SDSC is several distinct complexes. If the articles are too short then expansion is the logical solution. While I realise the current situation is not ideal as ISRO don't publish much about the history of the pads, we can still include a detailed launch history, details of how the rockets are processed, and we can try to find out more historical information to add to them. Once you merge, you take away that opportunity for expansion and it is hard to go back to having separate articles once somebody is willing and able to expand them further. --W. D. Graham 21:13, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I support what WDGraham said. - Jayadevp13 15:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@RadioFan: Just for your information, the Satish Dhawan Space Centre First Launch Pad article was last accessed in March 2012. It was then about 1 Kb but now it is 3 Kb. Almost tripled. The Satish Dhawan Space Centre Second Launch Pad article was also last accessed in March 2012. It was then about 2 Kb but now it is 3 Kb. The Satish Dhawan Space Centre Third Launch Pad article is already about 5 Kb. It has not yet been accessed though. I don't want to use this data for anything but just telling that there has been a slight improvement in these articles. - Jayadevp13 16:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thank you for bringing those numbers to the discussion. That "slight" improvement doesn't do much to demonstrate an interest from the community in maintaining these articles in their current state. Other editors seem to be having the same problem I'm having finding reliable 3rd party sources which cover the individual launch pads in any detail. Much easier to find sources and tell the story of the three launch facilities together. Even ISRO includes the two pads on a single page in the description of the facilities there, and doesn't even mention the 3rd pad--RadioFan (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@RadioFan: Welcome! But I do like your idea of creating a single page for all launch pads. Just inform here and wait for 2-3 days before making any move. - Jayadevp13 15:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@RadioFan and WDGraham: I propose closing this discussion on/after 23 July 2013 (2 weeks of no comments relating to the subject). Since you both are the people making most of the comments here (excluding me), I need to make sure that you have no problem with my proposal. You have 3 days time to give your opinion otherwise this discussion will be closed by me. Regards. Let peace be upon you - Jayadevp13 07:02, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please restate your proposal.--RadioFan (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@RadioFan: I didn't understand understand what you meant. Could you please explain? - Jayadevp13 15:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just above you ask that we make sure that we " have no problem with my proposal", please restate what that proposal is so that we are all clear before moving forward.--RadioFan (talk) 16:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See I was just proposing to close this discussion. The final decision will be that your merger proposal has been rejected per consensus. - Jayadevp13 16:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Interesting math in Section "Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV)"

To quote the mathematically-impossible line from the titular section

Since then out of 23 launches, PSLV has recorded 23 successes, 1 failure and 1 partial failure.

ibsteve2u (talk) 18:44, 17 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. You can do it, too! Cheers, N2e (talk) 15:25, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Private Companies

Hello , just a doubt , as of the publication of this private companies like Agnikul Cosmos also are setting up launch complexes on shriharikota island, inside SDSC what should we do to creat articles like Agnikul Launch PAD 1 ( Dhanush ) ? Pls see links and can someone clarify this ?
www.indiatoday.in/amp/science/story/agnikul-cosmos-begins-integrating-rocket-on-indias-first-private-launchpad-2422518-2023-08-17
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/agnikul-cosmos-to-launch-rocket-from-own-launchpad/amp_articleshow/108659725.cms
https://www.business-standard.com/amp/companies/start-ups/history-set-to-be-made-india-s-first-pvt-launchpad-readies-for-takeoff-124020500896_1.html
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/chennai-based-agnikul-cosmos-begins-integration-of-its-first-satellite-rocket-with-launchpad-at-sdsc-shar-in-sriharikota/article67205052.ece/amp/
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/chennai-based-agnikul-cosmos-begins-integration-of-its-first-satellite-rocket-with-launchpad-at-sdsc-shar-in-sriharikota/article67205052.ece/amp/

Thanks in advance! RΔ𝚉🌑R-𝕏 (talk) 11:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]