Talk:Sarah Tiana

Personal life

I've removed the personal life section since it's completely unsourced. When it comes to things about who has dated whom and other personal things, we need quite a bit of coverage to back up the claims - especially if the breakup was supposed to have had a huge impact. Sometimes primary sources can be used, but in general a relationship should be backed up with independent, reliable sources. The general rule of thumb on here is that if a relationship isn't mentioned somewhere in an independent reliable source then it's not really something to include in the article, as it'd be considered otherwise WP:INDISCRIMINATE for Wikipedia's purposes. I'm also mildly concerned about notability because while the article asserts that she's been in various shows, there's really no coverage of her in the article. Just being on a show, notable or otherwise, isn't really enough - you need to show where the role was major enough to give notability. Walk-ons or cameos cannot establish this and notability giving roles are considered to be major ones where the actor has been on screen for multiple episodes or is a major part of a film. Tiana did have several episodes in Reno 911!, but offhand that seems to be her most major role as far as I can tell on IMDb. Being a frequent guest on a talk show doesn't necessarily give notability, not unless her participation has gained coverage. If notability cannot be established via coverage in independent, reliable sources then this should probably redirect to List_of_Reno_911!_characters#Guest_characters. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 05:36, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Possible sources

@Tokyogirl79: Any opinion on whether these are reliable sources for establishing notability.

• singularcity.com/sarah-tiana/
• www.bustle.com/articles/63583-whitney-cummings-and-sarah-tiana-get-their-vaginas-steamed-for-funny-or-die
• theinterrobang.com/theo-von-and-sarah-tiana-defend-southern-honor-sort-of/
• raleighco.com/comedy/kicking-things-off-with-sarah-tiana/
• www.iconvsicon.com/2012/05/11/comedian-sarah-tiana-discusses-her-career-the-state-of-comedy-and-more/
• www.comedyfoodsports.com/sarah-tiana-falcons-fan-lover-of-pho-and-owner-of-one-of-the-best-how-i-became-a-comic-stories/
• standuptalk.com/top-10-hot-chicks-in-stand-up/
• www.examiner.com/article/with-tiana-and-norelli-indeed-laughter-is-the-best-medicine

I've been looking and have found quite a lot of show listings/trivial mentions as well as some more interviews, but nothing that I think would really help establish notability. I think the only one out of the eight I listed above that comes close is probably the Singular City one, but a search of "singularcity.com" only shows it being cited a single time in all of Wikipedia. I think "examiner.com" has been blacklisted as spam, so not sure if it can be used regardless of how reliable it might seem. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:40, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

• Examiner isn't usable at all as a RS, as they don't really stand up to the quality checks on Wikipedia. The general gist is that anyone can write an article and/or get someone to write an article on something, so there's often a conflict of interest. Of the others, here's the rundown: Singular City might be usable, but it's something I'd recommend running through through WP:RS/N. Bustle and Interrobang are both meant to be funny tongue in cheek pieces, so they're not really in depth or serious enough to be considered a RS. There's also the question as to whether or not either would be seen as a RS on Wikipedia. Of the two Bustle would be more likely, but it's kind of a moot point since the pieces aren't really about Tiana. StandUp Talk is very brief and looks to be a blog, so it wouldn't be seen as a RS on here. The same thing goes for Icon Vs Icon and Comedy, Food, Sports. They're more in-depth but it looks like they'd be considered WP:SPS. Raleigh & Company is kind of questionable, so that's another I'd recommend running through RS/N. So far the only truly usable ones look to be maybe Singular City and Raleigh & Company, but they're not the strongest looking sources. You'd definitely need to make sure that they're up to snuff with RS/N since they're not the best sources to be relying on to show independent notability. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 15:45, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback and Tokyogirl79. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:55, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Redirect to List of Reno 911 characters

There's no evidence that Tiana has received the kind of significant coverage in independent reliable sources typically required by WP:BIO to establish notability for a stand-alone article. She also does not seem to satisfy the notability guidelines for actors in WP:NACTOR. Although it seems that she has appeared on a number of Wikipedia-notable shows, etc., notability is not inherent and simply being associated with one of these shows does not mean she herself is Wikipedia notable. I suggest redirecting the article to List of Reno 911! characters since her appearance as "Carmen" on that show appears to be one of her larger roles as an actor; otherwise, the article seems to be a candidate for WP:AFD unless better sources which establish her Wikipedia notability can be shown to exist. FWIW, I've tried to find these sources off and on for quite awhile now, but have had no luck. The only stuff I have be able to find online are social media posts, primary sources and mentions of performances at various venues, etc. (i.e., trivial mentions). I have been able to find anything in depth about Tiana in an independent reliable sources which helps establish her Wikipedia notability. The closest I could fine seems to be this, but that seems to be a promotional piece in conjunction with Tiana's appearance at an event associated with the publication itself. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:59, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

It's been a week and no response, so I am going to be bold per WP:SILENT and redirect the article to List of Reno 911! characters -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:28, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

On the Kevin amd Bean Show on KROQ today they started their broadcast by wondering why Sarah Tiana has no Wikipedia page. When I look at the long list of comics who have pages linked from the @midnight epiaodes page, few are as notable as Tiana. Tiana has made a comedy album, made 12 overseas tours to entertain the troops, has appeared on about 50 TV shows in the US and internationally and has appeared on many shows both as herself and as an actress. She is also a notable comedy writer having written for the ESPYs, the Comedy Central Roasts and others. She has also hosted two shows. Her shows sell out all over the country. She didn't appear in front of 17,000 at The Hollywood Bowl because nobody knew who she was. Her IMDB page shows her filmography. She has also appeared on dozens of podcasts as a guest. Grouchocigars (talk) 06:01, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

All of the things you are saying about Tiana are probably true, but Wikipedia requires that that subjects of stand-alone articles have received significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources to show that the subject is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. If you look at the #Possible sources thread above, you see that there are no example of significant coverage to be found about Tiana. In addition, the fact that other articles about other comics exists is not really proof of notability in and of itself simply because there are more than 5,000,000 articles on Wikipedia and many more are added each and every day. Out of this more than 5,000,000, then are many deleted each and everyday because they do not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. The fact that an article exists does not automatically mean it should exist; it could just mean that nobody has gotten around to nominating it for deletion just yet.

Another problem is that Wikipedia notability is not something that is inherited or transferred from one thing to another. There is not really such a thing as "Wikipedia notability by association", so what is needed are independent reliable sources which establish that Tiana satisfies WP:BIO or WP:NACTOR. If you know where such sources can be found, then please post that information here. The sources do not have to be online, but they have to be published and they cannot be primary sources, user-generated sources, trivia mentions, etc. If you can show that these sources WP:NEXIST then maybe someone can track them down for verification purposes. As for "Kevin and Bean", perhaps they should look at their own Wikipedia page and see the examples of the coverage they have received in independent reliable sources to better understand how Wikipedia is intended to work. Wikipedia articles are not vanity/fan pages or personal websites for promotional purposes and they are not owned by the subjects they are written about; they are intended (in principle) to only reflect content which can be verified through independent reliable sources about subjects deemed Wikipedia notable enough for inclusion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)