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The result of the move request was: Moved to Zinacantepec. The municipality seems to be the main topic of the article, and the town mentioned just in passing. No such user (talk) 12:52, 31 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

San Miguel Zinacantepec → Zinacantepec – San Miguel Zinacantepec is the name of the municipal seat. The article is primarily about the municipality as a whole, whose official name is just Zinacantepec.[1][2][3] Cobblet (talk) 17:12, 31 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, the references agree with this point of view. Hughesdarren (talk) 04:33, 1 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I am just learning how to change wikipedia articles. I am finding that many of the English articles for municipalities were merged with cities because some people don't know that municipalies in Mexico are counties. I am trying to find a the best way to fix this. This one was previously moved to the page for the city of San Miguel Zinacantepec. I am working on a database for places in Mexico and referincing wikipedia articles and it is frustrating when the articles are wrong. It has caused many errors in our database from other people misunderstanding.
@KitChristensen7: I don't think it's necessarily an issue of writers not knowing the difference between localities and municipalities. And the analogy with US counties is not perfect, because there is usually only one tier of local government in Mexico (municipalities) as opposed to two in the US (counties and municipalities). The town of San Miguel Zinacantepec does not have a governing body separate from that of the larger municipality of Zinacantepec. When an article such as this one says, "Zinacantepec is a town and municipality in Mexico State", I read this not to mean that the town and municipality are coextensive, but merely that they share the same name. At the same time, I understand that this phrasing is unclear at best and confusing at worst, so your continued efforts to clean this up are most welcome. Cobblet (talk) 05:16, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Cobblet: This municipality only shares part of the name, not San Miguel. They do not share the same geographical boundaries. Every locality in Mexico outside of CDMX is in a municipality. In other places municipalities are incorporated cities and not a level of govornment in most places, which is different. They are distinct and should be treated as such. With my work in a database if they are treated the same then if it only says "Zinacantepec" I don't know if it is the town or one of the other 95 localities in the municipality. That is my concern. The municipalities vary, but I see no reason to treat them separatly the way that they should be or in some cases where they may be the only city, like Saltillo, at least have it worded to not confuse the two. Thanks for responding.

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